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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. Kim

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    Yes, deportations are happening daily at huge rates and don't get reported. There are also many exceptions that get to stay, mostly kids, but others too. The system is still overwhelmed with underfunding and lack of judges. It's not like Trump had zero migrants, and whatever he did try to do unilaterally would not last long, because conservative SCOTUS says it's Congress' job - I agree with that.

    Here, it's a difficult balance: offering work opportunities to arrivals is good to alleviate the burdens on local communities, but it's bad because it incentivizes more arrivals. The US absolutely neends help and cooperation from Mexico and other pass-through countries to ease the burden. DHS absolutely needs Congress to allocate funds to execute the laws passed by previous Congresses.

    Or we can just bus everyone to Canada because that's what other countries have done to us. But please, everyone should be clear that Biden, nor any president, cannot break the law. There can be refinements and adjustments made to policy, but generally speaking, unless there's another COVID wave, the law (statutes passed by Congress) says let them in and put them in line and figure it out from there. That's the law.

    And yes, as stated before, the law is broken because the line is too long, not funded, no immigrant jails/housing as the law says should be provided, and most migrants don't show up to court because most migrants won't get final asylum approval. And immigration lawyers don't want to help cases, unless they have a real shot, so many migrants won't even have the right paperwork to file and just become cheap labor (fake IDs, cash payments, etc) that we all may use, but don't talk about.

    Edit: and yes, some auto get kicked out. But you can't kick out all upton arrival. Presidents don't have that power, only temporarily - per SCOTUS saying so, because it's Congress that passes laws, and the laws are already there, though outdated and not working.
     
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  2. Astrodome

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    I would never call you braindead. You just need to get your news from other sources occasionally.
     
  3. astros123

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    Not sure if you saw the newest numbers according to DHS but their release today says

    Deploying a military personnel surge to support border efforts. The Department of Defense is providing additional military personnel – on top of the 2,500 steady state National Guard personnel – to support the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). This surge support includes up to 800 new active-duty personnel to assist with logistics and other functions at the border to allow more Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents and officers to return to their core mission and responsibilities. These individuals complement the 24,000 CBP agents and officers along the Southwest Border we have sustained and over 2,600 additional non-uniformed personnel we have hired to assist in processing and facility operations. Since May 12, we have also extended the support of 500 law enforcement and general support volunteers from other DHS components to supplement CBP border security operations.

    Working with international partners to speed removals and returns. Since May 12, we have removed or returned over 253,000 individuals to 152 countries. This compares to 180,000 removals and returns during the same period in 2019, which was the comparable pre-pandemic and pre-Title 42 period. This was enabled by a more than doubling of ICE international removal flights from the first to the second half of FY 2023 and new agreements with multiple countries to streamline returns. This includes: 36,000 family members encountered at the Southwest Border and over 17,000 non-Mexicans to Mexico – a critical deterrent, especially for hard-to-remove-to countries, and the first time Mexico has ever accepted substantial numbers of third-country repatriations. DHS has removed or returned more family members in the last 4 months than in any previous full fiscal year.





    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2023/09/20...inistration-takes-new-actions-increase-border
     
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  4. Kim

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    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2023/09/20...inistration-takes-new-actions-increase-border

    Adding DHS holding and processing capacity. DHS has expanded its capacity to hold an additional 3,250 people in its facilities, for a CBP holding capacity of nearly 23,000. This builds on expansions of several thousand across CBP and ICE facilities put in place before May to process, detain, and remove more noncitizens who do not have a lawful basis to remain in the United States. Since May 12, we have processed 110,000 individuals for expedited removal and completed an average of 4,000 credible fear cases each week, double the previous high.

    Working with international partners to speed removals and returns. Since May 12, we have removed or returned over 253,000 individuals to 152 countries. This compares to 180,000 removals and returns during the same period in 2019, which was the comparable pre-pandemic and pre-Title 42 period. This was enabled by a more than doubling of ICE international removal flights from the first to the second half of FY 2023 and new agreements with multiple countries to streamline returns. This includes: 36,000 family members encountered at the Southwest Border and over 17,000 non-Mexicans to Mexico – a critical deterrent, especially for hard-to-remove-to countries, and the first time Mexico has ever accepted substantial numbers of third-country repatriations. DHS has removed or returned more family members in the last 4 months than in any previous full fiscal year.

    Just for reference they are only allowing 16k "assylm cases" a month to actually happen. @Kim your numbers were way off. The other 30k people that we allowed into the country all have financial sponsors in USA and pass vigorous background checks and come through the CBP app.

    All of these people in these videos are all being deported once again. Will the media tell you that biden is deporting more people than trump of course not. @Salvy will lie like all MAGA
     
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  7. Kim

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    Apologies as I don't know which numbers you were referring to. All I'm saying is there are 1.5 million in line and growing - the line is too long and Congress has to fix it with funding or changes to the law. There is only so much a president is allowed to do under our constitutional structure.
     
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    The issue is nobody reads press releases other than policy nerds like myself. The average American @Astrodome @Nook gets their news from twitter/tiktoks and those places have no incentive to push truth bcz disinformation always brings more engagement.

    The WH communication department is staffed with hundreds of people and i have no idea what the **** they do. I wish I was comm director the WH and i would have the truth out everywhere.

    It's just depressing watching society unravel because of disinformation.
     
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    Certainly the Admin. Is doing more
    By sending much more federal resources to the border and clearing work permits but I agree with @Kim that there is only so much the Executive branch can do without Congress taking more action.
     
  10. Amiga

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    Talking about incentive...

    When the border was more open (under Reagan, Bush, Clinton for example), you have people crossing the border illegally for seasonal work and crossed back home. Now, it's so hard to cross over that once people are here illegally, they stay and hide, sending cash back home to family. As a result, you get some of them staying for years or even pulling family members over and starting a family (kids born become US citizens). Of course, this is just one of many complex factors involved in illegal immigrants and migrants.
     
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    This is the longest period in American history with unemployment rate under 4%. We need cheap labor to do jobs that citizens won't do. Go to the home deport on Hillcroft/59 or 610/sheppard and you'll see 50 illegal being picked up by white folks every 30 minutes.

    Expanding legal immigration is good. Deport the rest
     
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    What's going on in Venezuela that they're flocking here and getting special treatment. They're not being smuggled, they're just being red carpeted here.
     
  15. astros123

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    It's not like we've had devastating sanctions on their country for no reason huh. Let's sanction Venezuela to hell for socialism but let's sell saudis the PGA when they're hanging people for trolling on social media.

    Loser
     
  16. Kim

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna104147

    It's a multipart problem:
    - Venezuela and other countries fail or on the brink of failing.
    - Everyone generally wants to come to the US.
    - Countries along the way generally just say, "we won't stop you going to the US" and sometimes they say, "we'll bus you from southern to northern borders."
    - Venezuela doesn't take back planes from the US.

    So unless the laws are changed by Congress (withdraw from Geneva Convention, rewrite aslyum processing to not allow anyone to declare), or Congress funds the current law (house all asylum seekers and quickly process to either admit a few and deport most), then this problem will just continue to grow. We absolutely need cooperation from other nations, like the article above - we only recently got Panama to start deporting, instead of sending migrants on through.

    Or we can just send back planes to Venezuala, force an international relations showdown, and go to war with them? Or bus to Canada and go to war with them? Or maybe just fix the damn system by going to war with Congress because they only care about remaining in office instead of doing their job.
     
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    True and the news today said 500,000 more Venezuelans just got work authorization. They will soon send money back to their relatives to help negotiate the Darrien Gap. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/14/world/americas/migrant-business-darien-gap.html

    Venezuelan migration did not have to happen, The US government had a very effective oil embargo and as far as I know an very illegal embargo designed to overthrow their government. As with Iraq, Cuba, Afghanistan this just impoverished the ordinary people. Our press likes to over exaggerate their economic mistakes, the principle one being not trying to diversify their economy away from the notoriously volatile oil industry since unlike Saudi they have quite a bit of arable land. Making the embargo even more effective Venezuela does not have any refineries in their country that can refine the bulk of their particular crude.

    For awhile the Darrien Gap prevented poor and middle class Venezuelans who could not get visas to fly to Miami and other US cities.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    We need more immigration, not less.

    DD
     
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    These right wingers are acting like it's a national emergency but restaurant owners are lining up to pick them up by the hundreds lol. The idea that cheap minimum wage labor isn't needed in America is so dumb.

    America runs off cheap labor! It's capitalism
     
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    This was my guess. USA destroying venezuela economy. I just wanted to see if anyone is buying the GOPs narrative of mexican cartels smuggling Venezuelans with fentanyl.
     

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