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Solving Illegal Immigration

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  1. Commodore

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    since 2022 to be exact

    Mayor Adams reveals he hasn’t spoken to Biden in months as NYC reels from migrant influx

    https://nypost.com/2023/09/12/mayor...n-in-months-as-nyc-reels-from-migrant-influx/

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    Mayor Eric Adams said Tuesday he hasn’t spoken to President Biden in months — further exposing the apparent widening rift between the pair as the Big Apple and nation reel from the migrant crisis.

    “I haven’t communicated with him [Biden] since earlier this year,” Adams — who has become increasingly vocal against the president’s handling of the border — said on WABC-TV’s “Eyewitness News.”

    The Dem mayor said he only spoke on Monday with a member of Biden’s Democratic administration — the president’s chief of staff, Jeff Zients, whom New York Gov. Kathy Hochul was shoved off on during her trip to Washington, DC, last month.

    Adams told CNN last month he hadn’t directly spoken with the president since 2022 — so the dry spell in personal relations between the once-buddy-buddy pair could be even longer.

    The mayor has recently ratcheted up his attacks on Biden while demanding the feds provide more funding, work visas and shelter sites so the city can better grapple with the tens of thousands of asylum seekers flooding the Big Apple.
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    The mayor has recently ratcheted up his attacks on Biden while demanding the feds provide more funding, work visas and shelter sites so the city can better grapple with the tens of thousands of asylum seekers flooding the Big Apple.

    Open Border advocates have turned our asylum system into a total farce. Someone got clever a few years ago and told every economic migrant they needed to claim asylum. This was not a thing 15 or 20 years ago.
     
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    SB 744 died 10 years ago. It's about time to try another compromise bill. There will be no peace on this issue until legislation is passed.
     
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    And,,,,whats the beef? There not animals in a zoo, let them have some privacy.
     
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    Maybe if Texas instituted a state income tax, they could afford to cut the migrants off at the border.

    And abolish property taxes while there at it.
     
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    Thanks Obama!



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    The Migrant problem will not be supported because:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/14/world/americas/migrant-business-darien-gap.html

    Wonderful article that shows how individual entrepreneurs are expanding the flow through the previous nearly impenetrable jungle. In the last two years the flow went from 2021 133,000, 2023 projected 500,000 with a possible 1 million in 2024.

    See also: https://www.iom.int/news/number-migrants-who-embarked-dangerous-darien-gap-route-nearly-doubled-2022
    which shows in 2021 150 k of the 231 were from Venezuela.

    The biggest group coming through the Darrien is the Venezuelans. We set out to destroy their economy by killing illegal sanctions and it worked to the extent but not enough to overthrow the Maduro government. Sitting on as much oil as Saudi the Venezuelans were being boycotted of nearly all gasoline by the US as they unwisely never built refineries that could refine their heavy crude.

    1) US Corporations want to make as much money by paying workers as little as possible either for instance in Latin America by supporting folks who suppress and kill labor organizers and politicians who support them-- or having undocumented workers they can pay less here in the US.
    2). The GOP is using immigration as a substitute for old George Wallace style racism that is one of their main appeals to America's lower and middle class voters.
     
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    I agree that sanctions have been punishing on Venezuelans and that we could actually address our immigration problems by lifting some of those sanctions and getting Venezuela back in the global market. That said this is an odd argument for some one on the Left to make as you’re basically advocating for global capitalism.

    Also while US policies and multinational corporations aren’t blameless the Maduro and Chavez governments share the blame too as many of their policies were disastrous. Since WWII nationalizing industry and command economies have rarely done well and more often lead to disastrous outcomes. That Chavez went down that route and Maduro continued it in the early 21st C showed a lack of practical thinking and putting ideology and class struggle over actually growing the economy and improving the lives of Venezuelans as a whole.
     
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    Cuomo blames Biden administration for NYC’s migrant crisis: ‘A federal responsibility’

    https://nypost.com/2023/09/14/cuomo-blames-biden-administration-for-nycs-migrant-crisis/

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    “This was a federal responsibility, period. First and foremost. Not the state, not the city. Immigration law is a federal responsibility,” Cuomo said.

    The ex-governor said if he was in office, he’d march down to Washington and demand President Biden “take hold of this.”

    “How do we get to a place where governor Abbot of Texas is deciding where hundreds of thousands of migrants go around this nation is laughable,” said Cuomo.

    “This is a function for the federal government to manage, and make every city, every state do its fair share,” he continued.

    And the federal government, he added, should “pay the bill for the cost of the migrants and don’t ask the taxpayers of any city to pick up the bill.”
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    Little to no attention? This page is 113 pages long.
     
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    It would be ideal if every city and state did its fair share to support migrants, but the federal government cannot force them to accept migrants. The federal government can only indirectly influence distribution through funding incentives and policies. However, substantial funding to aid migrants is not viable currently given political disagreements. There is little chance Republicans would support such funding. With proper resources and will, the US has the capacity to properly absorb and distribute incoming migrants.

    Just solving the backlog would help. Current immigration backlogs delay work authorization, increasing dependence on assistance. This makes New York's right to shelter laws very attractive to migrants.

    These issues are surmountable, but hampered by partisan conflicts. Republicans likely see political advantage in the status quo. Realistically, comprehensive reform requires Democrats to gain a dominant majority. Without reforms, the situation will likely worsen as climate change increases migration.

    With pragmatism and compassion, we could meet moral obligations to asylum seekers while easing border pressures. But this requires solving problems over political points. Our nation has the resources if we muster the collective will. Long term, we also need immigrant labor to maintain economic growth as declining birth rates (currently below 1.4%, well under the 2.1% needed to replace the population) reduce our working-age population.
     
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    You are to eager to characterize me as capitalist. Did you see me in favor or low wages for immigrants? Folks like to demonize Maduro and Venezuela as taught by the mainstream press. It is doubtful country could do well with the level of embargo which seems to me illegal if you care about that. Nationalized oil companies in many countries do well.
     
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    Hey, I am for immigrants and worked for five years with poor immigrants, admittingly mostly Latinos but you are getting a bit out of sort onEastern Europeans, though right wingers are very ANNOYING.
     
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    I don’t think I could agree with this post more. We absolutely need an overall national policy to address immigration in a realistic and practical manner. We don’t and very unlikely will have open borders so there is certainly room for greater enforcement and security at the same time walling is off literally or metaphorically is unrealistic given the supply and demand curve of immigrants and willingness to hire immigrants.

    A comprehensive policy of increased legal immigration, guest worker, path to citizenship and more funding to deal with those here already with an increased border security is the reasonable compromise but too many look at this issue for partisan interest.
     
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    Well you did say you wanted to get left sanctions which would mean trading with them and getting them back into the global market.

    Even before sanctions people were fleeing Venezuela as Chavez was becoming an authoritarian and engaging in disastrous economic policies. You can try to shift the blame but the type of policies Chavez and Maduro have enacted have rarely if ever worked.
     
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    There is no solving the immigration problems sort of an East Berlin Wall and shooting people. The Repugs would be for this of course, (no need to worry about the fetuses in the immigrant wombs ). Without racism/immigrant phobia I am not sure being anti- woke or trans or pro-book burning etc. will be enough to get their low info Fox and its numerous friends to vote to keep redistributing the money up to the .1%.

    Oh, I forgot the other alternative. We could actually help develop the Global South, but that would be going against our .1% and their collaborating peers in the Global South.
     
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