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Soda tax?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Lady_Di, Sep 17, 2009.

  1. Depressio

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    It'd be nice if you'd cite your sources instead of just blatantly making a statement like this. Fructose gets broken down into sucrose (regular ol' sugar) and glucose. There has been a few reports on how HFCS increases propensity for obesity and diabetes, but nothing I've seen indicates it's "poison".

    Unless you're trying to say that because the corn itself was treated with pesticides, then the corn syrup make from it contains said pesticides, thus poison... in which case, that's really, really, REALLY a stretch. You must eat all organic food, huh?
     
  2. Major

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    So low-calorie foods with a bunch of artificial and unhealthy stuff would be fine with you?
     
  3. justtxyank

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    Consider the source.
     
  4. Depressio

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    I don't really know the debaters here well enough to make such a judgements. :p
     
  5. Rocket River

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    Meaning . .. . when someone steps on YOUR VICE
    [not you the general you]
    Then folx Squeal like stuck pigs
    but
    If it is someone else's vice. . . it is all good. . .

    Rocket River
     
  6. BigBenito

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    Increased internet use costs seemed to be a major bee for this board. Somewhat necessary, but primarily just a vice for most people.
     
  7. glynch

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    We should put a tax on candy bars and sugar cereals and other sugary items.

    As far as the taxes thing goes. We pay less tax than just about any other advanced country. Of course they have free health care, free college, more secure retirement and many other services that we struggle to acquire on our own.
     
  8. rhester

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    Here is my suggestion for all future taxes-

    Only voters are taxed.

    If you don't vote you aren't taxed.

    (that would get in the head of politicians :) )
     
  9. Depressio

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    True.

    I think I'm going to move to Norway.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. glynch

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    Don't move you, too, can become a multi-millionaire. Just invest on the tax money you save by living in the US, after paying for college and expensive health care and then put this in the stock market. It always goes up and you will have much more than a Norwegian!! :rolleyes:
     
  11. Red Chocolate

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    Things that give you life threatening conditions such as obesity and diabetes can't be considered poison? I read a study that showed that a number of soft drinks in the UK had high levels of mercury and pesticides. Yes, I eat almost all organic food including raw locally grown fruits/vegetables, and drink 8.0 PH water. There are plenty of sources out there that I've spent countless hours reading that are easily searched for, but the bottom line is that it's idiotic to consume foods and drinks that 99.9% of animals wouldn't consume.
     
  12. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    It's not fine with me personally, but it's hard to define that is unhealthy and what is not.

    We know only that high calorie food that is low in nutrional value is causing a national obesity epidemic that is hurting us in many areas as a nation. Right now, Obesity is a far bigger threat to America than Al Qaeda and Drugs combined. We need a war on Obesity.

    I just think we should focus on that. I'm not trying to control what people eat, only to start tackling a serious problem that's clearly defined and well documented. Diet cola and other low fat foods may not be good for you, but they aren't putting on the pounds directly.

    We need to combat obesity - and the key to that is junk food.
     
  13. CrazyDave

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    No problem, 'bro.'

    Space food? Teabaggers? Maybe you quoted the wrong post... I don't see your point, nor can I discern if you read or tried to understand mine.

    You are for the tax, though. I get it. Personally, while I won't mind paying an extra x¢ for soda, especially since I don't drink it very often at all, I am not for legislation being imposed on people to get in line with the collective thinking of what lifestyle and food/drink choices should be for everyone. Where will it stop?

    I agree somewhat with whoever said that perhaps this is something that should be pointed at those who sell such products, and not directly at the consumers. Yes, costs would pass along, but perhaps making the products safer could be influenced with incentives for suppliers to change.

    Point taken on smoking, and good for you... I know it wasn't easy... but I think that I'd rather them have forced manufacturers/suppliers to make cigarettes less lethal than I would liked to see them tax the hell out of the people who are already addicted to them.
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    Quite frankly at this point the risk of inaction outweighs reward at this point. Freedom of choice and an untaxed lifestyle is a luxury we can't afford as a society right now in terms of our health and way of life.. We need to curtail this problem, pronto, before it completely cripples us... once we get our crap together, then we can repeal some of this stuff... sometimes sacrifices have to be made, sucks, and I wish we as a society didn't have to resort to this stuff to live better collectively, but we're not perfect yet :(
     
  15. CrazyDave

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    Maybe... and I agree there are issues... I think we just disagree on how to go about fixing them.

    I don't know, it seems that once dependent upon the revenues, the encouragement to make the products more healthy/less addictive seems to preclude any change of repealing... and the incentive to do that is not only gone, but perhaps even the anti-motive.
     
  16. DonnyMost

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    I agree that it is better to give the proverbial carrot to those who chose to live healthier or produce healthier products for our market than it is to give the stick to those who want to be unhealthy.
     
  17. langal

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    Oregon was mulling over a "mileage" tax.

    They had implemented a gasoline tax. The "official" purpose was to curb gas usage. It worked. People used less gasoline. So revenues from the gas tax decreased.

    The mileage tax is to make up for the revenues. Don't matter if you drive an electric car, hybrid, or whatever. The tax was on distance travelled.

    Stuff like that makes me very queasy about luxury or behavioral taxes. In the end, it's just an excuse to increase taxes.
     
  18. juicystream

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    You really should move glynch. I think it would be in your best interest.
     
  19. Depressio

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    You can get obese and have diabetes just fine without HFCS.
     
  20. DonnyMost

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    What kind of point does that make?

    There's a lot of ways to skin a cat, doesn't mean the easiest way should be allowed...
     

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