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[Soccer] Offside rule: Why?

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by Nolen, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. SwoLy-D

    SwoLy-D Member

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    Dear Lord, please don't ask for a 2-minute "warning", United States of Americans. :rolleyes:
    This already happens. :eek: It's called "additional" or "extra" or "stoppage time." The referee on the field is the keeper of the time and the signaling is only known to him.
     
  2. DaDakota

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    Yeah, but it is not official, and it is totally nebulous - like how they added that extra minute because Zusi was slow getting off the field which allowed Portugal to equalize.

    Why not keep an actual running clock on the amount of stoppage time?

    DD
     
  3. SwoLy-D

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    The ref does, man. When stuff happens on the pitch, he stops his watch. This is the human element we aren't aware of that adds more to the suspense. You like KNOWING EVERYTHING, don't you? :p

    And, Zusi's sub was in vain.
     
  4. Beavis Stiffler

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    Houston had a indoor team before during the 90's.

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  5. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    You know what opens up the field?

    Talented and creative players. Just because the MLS doesn't have many of them doesn't mean there's something wrong with the game
     
  6. leroy

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    Remember them well. I was invited and tried out for them. Unfortunately, I had never played indoor before the tryout and played horrifyingly bad.
     
  7. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    You might have saved yourself from major injury and a few fist fights. Indoor soccer is a different animal.
     
  8. KingCheetah

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    You're basically getting a stretched field in South American leagues with their giant dimensions -- South American soccer is not as exciting IMO as EPL soccer that uses smaller fields.
     
  9. leroy

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    I play it now and really enjoy it. I haven't played on a full size field in over a year. The outdoor league I play in is O-30 8v8. Our field is across the large field with smaller goals. I barely remember what it's like to shoot on a regular sized goal.
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    I think there should be timeouts.
     
  11. heypartner

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    The Blue Line in Hockey is completely different. No attacking player can cross the blue line before the puck. They must stay behind the puck. Because of that, most advancement of the puck in Hockey is via skating, not passing. The offside rule in soccer is no attacking player can advance passed the offside line BEFORE THE PASS is made

    So, your idea is not comparable to Hockey as staying behind the puck vs offside timed to the point of the pass are completely different.

    Again, what makes us US fans think our suggested changes will affect the game as we propose. They can have completely different outcomes. And why change this game anyhow? It's perfectly fine, except for flopping.
     
  12. leroy

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    Don't lump us all in with that. A large majority of US soccer fans do not want stupid rule changes just to appeal to the masses in the US only. We like the game as is...with less flopping.
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    And most soccer offsides are past that point anyways
     
  14. heypartner

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    The Blue Line doesn't work like this in Hockey. see my comment above.

    But even if we say it does, why are you so convinced it will help offenses in a noticeable way worth making a rules change.

    The Offside line is a Line of Scrimmage that you can't cross. If you own the ball, or you are pushing it forward, you can safely advance your Line of Scrimmage. The Offense should have that right to do so. The whole history of soccer, rugby and US Football is based on that simple premise: a moving line of scrimmage.

    Advancing the line of scrimmage is a right for the team who controls the ball. It helps them put more players on the opponents side. It definitely helps teams attack in the closing minutes.

    Why change it to some fixed line of scrimmage. It's not fair to the ball-control, better teams...and no other sport does that.
     
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  15. Mr. Clutch

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    The NFL should allow offensive players beyond the line of scrimmage before the QB says "hike."

    Why do they have to wait for a player to say an arbitrary word?
     
  16. DaDakota

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    I was talking about soccer in general - that it is getting too compact all over the world, I think it would help out in the EPL, La Liga, Budesliga, everywhere.

    And let's not get pedantic HP, I was using the blue line as more of a symbol - for me it would simply be an OFFSIDE line that is closer to the enemies goal, thus pushing defense back, and opening up the midfield for more play.

    DD
     
  17. SwoLy-D

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    Ha. I tried out along with a Cameroonian friend and he and I made it to the third round. The coach said we were going 20% of the speed he wanted. I didn't make it to the fourth, where only about 10 were chosen. :grin: It was a most exhilarating experience.

    I remember Nebo. Or was it Nevo? Our top scorer.

    LOL @ nice trolling.

    It's only after the ball moves. :grin: That's hilarious either way.
     
  18. heypartner

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    For the guy who corrected others on spelling of Offside, let's just say you have a major misspelling in the above post, to almost warrant your entire take meaningless...embarrassing.

    The league is spelled Bundesliga. You know how I know that, because Bundes means our equivalent of National in German....not Bud...or Budes or whatever you tried to spell.

    I didn't have to live in Germany for a year to learn that. You just see it once and say, "oh, that's the equivalent to 'NFL'" cool, I shall remember that.

    Sigh...us US fans can be so embarrassing to World soccer facepalms. You know how I know we are embarrassing, because I did and said or thought nearly everything you did in this thread

    ...BACK IN 1994 ....

    when we hosted the Cup and for the first time in my life I was surrounded by foreign soccer fans. Since then, I've never again suggested to any foreign soccer fan how to change their rules.
     
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    And another thing about the leagues you mention is Bundesliga scores 3.45 goals per game. You know how many touchdowns the NFL scored last year per game. About one more.

    One more...

    Plus, you just witnessed how exciting soccer is in the closing minutes. That has happened almost every game this round. That rarely happens in the NFL.

    In fact, one of the complaints foreigners have about the NFL is teams can run out the clock. So, don't say soccer is special about that.
     
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    And since I'm on a roll...and

    You criticized me for being "pedantic." That's cute. Is that your reasoning for why you only post simplistic one-liners

    Hey, dude...we aren't arguing. You are.


    Everyone here is saying the sport isn't broken. But, you are.

    We have no reason to back up our "If it ain't broken don't fix it." Take. You have to back up your take on why the world should fix something that <1% of fans think is broke.

    That's on you.

    You can't do this in one-liners. You have to get pedantic to gain any respect here.
     

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