[Soccer] France and Ireland

My explanation for the hand ball by Thierry.

I doubt Henry intended to set up the French goal with that play. I think he was trying to get sent off with the very blatant hand ball so he could set the wheels in motion for Raymond Domenech to finally get fired, but such is the luck and the nine lives of Crazy Ray that the ref misses the handball and Willie Gallas heads it in. End result=4 more years of Domenech. French fans that really understand football and building a team are devastated they can't get rid of the roach that is Domenech and those fair weather fans that only care about going to the WC don't care because they still don't see that this French team needs to be rebuilt completely.

I bet Domenech is very cozy with Sarkozy.

 

What about all those guys who flop in soccer (as well as other sports) trying to draw a foul? Are they cheaters as well? If so, there are hundreds of "villains" in every sport.

 

In Soccer a hand ball is the worst offense you can make.

It's like a flagrant 2 or a personal foul on the QB.

It's looked upon as a MAJOR violation. You just don't use your hands...It's called futbol.

 

A handball is WORSE than deliberately sliding into a player's legs, cleats up?

 

One is dirty, the other is cheating.

 

Is a player, in American football, who knowingly drops a TD pass, but the catch is called good (and replay is inconclusive due to camera angles), a cheater if he doesn't tell the referee that it was not a good catch?

 

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Is it cheating if a defensive back intentionally interferes with a receiver to prevent him from catching the game winning TD pass?

DBs are taught to prevent that TD in any way possible. If they are not in position to make a play they will interfere to prevent the easy game winning score. At that point, they are either caught by the referee or not. If they are caught is it cheating? If they are not caught is it cheating? If they are not caught and they end up winning the game, should they replay it?

Thierry may have very well made that play knowing there were two outcomes. One, he doesn't get caught. Two, he gets caught and has to suffer the consequences (simple violation to a probable red card).

Is it cheating if you are willing to accept the consequences of your actions?

To me, this boils down to a blown call by the referee and we see those almost every single game.

Should the left fielder in the Yankees-Twins playoff game have turned to the umpire and told him it was indeed a fair ball and Mauer should have had a double?

 

this whole situation is about going to the world cup, imagine if that happened to the USA how crazy do you think the media would have gotten? i mean it was probably the last time some of those players would ever play in a world cup game and to lose like that must be heart breaking! kinda sucks that it had to end that way...

 

A handball is not worse than a hard tackle unless the handball is CLEARLY intentional and stops/creates a goal.

I think Henry should be banned from participating in the World cup.

But France can't be punished. Thankfully, probablities mean nothing in football and FIFA will assume that France may have scored on the very next play even if Henry was sent off.

A replay is not fair IMO. You cannot just re-create the events of a football match this way.

The mistake is FIFA's and Ireland have to suffer for it. But they have to understand that the villains here are FIFA and Thierry Henry, not France.

It's FIFA's responsibility to have video replays and to think of an acceptable system. I can imagine something simple sucha s not more than ONE erplay decision per game, and a penalty if overruled. Football fans take pride in the fact that there are NO stops but halftime in a game. If it ever starts becoming like NFL or NBA where you can have a commercial break all the time, it would be a very very sad day.

 

Why? During the game if the handball had been seen and seen as deliberate, he would have received a red card. Why should he miss the entire World Cup?

 

really?

I've watched Football for 15 years. I watch La Liga every Sunday.
tell me what offense is worse?

 

I've never heard of a player getting a multiple game suspension for a handball.

Handball - At worst a red card and the 1 game suspension that comes with it.
Violent Conduct - Red card with a possibility of additional suspension.

 

but imagine the label you get after.

you become notorious. In the eyes of the fans if a player go in for a hard challenge he's looked at as tough and the enforcer on the team. If He trys to get hand balls to score goals he looks like a cheat.

 

get replays and get the refs to catch the penalty. quit crying about the player.

 

Now for a stand on the other side:

I know for a fact when you're in the heat of battle and you're running as hard as you can and you know that every score counts and you then find yourself approaching the goal with people jostling you and walla, the ball is in your vicinity and your hand magically keeps the ball in play.

There was no intent because you have known all your life that you can't touch the ball with your hands, but your hand touches the ball anyway.

It happens.

I should have prefaced with the fact that I hadn't played soccer for a long long time and the psyche of the players might have changed since then. Maybe cheating is now part of the game.

Btw, left wing here.

 

Any violent cheap shot.