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So who will be the Democratic nominee?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Achebe, Dec 31, 2002.

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Who will be the Democratic nominee?

  1. John Edwards

    3 vote(s)
    8.3%
  2. Bob Graham

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    0.0%
  3. Joe Lieberman

    3 vote(s)
    8.3%
  4. Gen. Wesley Clark

    6 vote(s)
    16.7%
  5. John Kerry

    12 vote(s)
    33.3%
  6. Howard Dean

    3 vote(s)
    8.3%
  7. Other (specify)

    9 vote(s)
    25.0%
  1. Achebe

    Achebe Member

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    smeg, sorry. the job description reads 'assholes', not 'ausholes'. :p
     
  2. ewfd

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    No paragraphs there because that was a piece of my American Politics term paper =]


    blame Microsoft Word and the copy and paste function, not me =]
     
  3. Achebe

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    ps, t* was misinformed about the miami herald's piece earlier:

    And the headline was absolutely accurate, sort of. If the review simply picked up where the recount had left off in December, George W. Bush actually added votes to his official victory under the most commonly used standards for counting damaged ballots (ironically, standards that his campaign opposed). PANDORA'S BOX
    Review showed George W. Bush won the Florida election, sort of.

    But -- and here's where Pandora's Box opened -- if the recount had been started from scratch in each of Florida's 67 counties, The Herald concluded ``Gore would be in the White House today.''


    :p
     
  4. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Hillary is by far the best chance the dem's have. But she doesn't need to run. she can run 4 years later and she will increase her odds dramatically. she doesn't gain anything by running now. Her name already carries some weight. It's pointless unless Bush falls flat on his face. Her chances of knocking out an imcumbent are slim to none. Her ability to run 4 years later gives her the best chance to win. And I think she will run. Nobody else has stepped to the podium as a clear favorite to beat her.
     
  5. MadMax

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    if you're trying to paint a "poor little democrat" and a "mean old republican" picture you need to try a little harder. each side is mean as hell...it's called politics...now back to booing at memorial services, please.
     
  6. Achebe

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    another Slate article, by Will, spoke about how (he was there I believe) that the media may have went overboard on insinuating the memorial was a nonstop political rally. Apparently that one fellow's part was a few minutes of a several hour service.

    Of course, politics are politics, but in that quote I'm referring to my surprise about some of the character assassinations performed by supposedly Christian conservatives. I think it just goes to show that Christian conservatism, a lot of times, no offense, has much more to do with being a small minded hate mongerer than it has to do with holding the book in any high regard (I'm not speaking about you MadMax, or people that seem moved by their relationship w/ God, but instead Re(ei)d and his ilk and whoever it was that called my mom and essentially called McCain's wife a crack w****).

    Oh yeah back on topic, I should say that the media seems to be taken with Edwards; where's SuperGore when you need him; and why hasn't Gephardt realized he isn't Presidential material.
     
  7. rimrocker

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    Well, It won't be Daschle. Good call Tom.

    __________________

    Daschle Will Not Run for President
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS


    WASHINGTON -- Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle said today he has decided not to run for president.

    "After careful reflection, I've concluded that at this moment in our history, with so many important decisions to be made about our nation's future, my passion lies here in the Senate," he said in a written statement.

    Daschle's surprise announcement left the field for the 2004 party nomination to fellow Sens. John Kerry and John Edwards, along with Vermont Gov. Howard Dean and former House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt. Sen. Bob Graham of Florida has expressed interest in the nomination, and Sen. Joseph Lieberman has said he would say this month whether he would run.

    The soft-spoken, occasionally self-effacing Daschle has suprised even his own colleagues with his political acumen since emerging from a relatively obscure position to take over as the Democrats' Senate leader in 1994.

    "I was totally wrong about this young man," senior Senate Democrat Robert Byrd said in 1996, two years after Daschle defeated Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., by a 24-23 vote to become party leader. "He has steel in his spine, despite his reasonable and modest demeanor."

    After six years as minority leader, Daschle took over as Senate majority leader in 2001 after Vermont Sen. Jim Jeffords switched from the Republicans Pary and tipped the balance of power to Democrats. That left Daschle with the power to set the agenda and confront the Bush White House on policy and spending priorities.

    Daschle could not have anticipated the challenges the nation would face as a country at peace was staggered by the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11.

    Terror also hit Daschle directly, as anthrax was found in letters mailed to his office one month later, forcing a shutdown of the entire congressional office complex.

    Partisan rifts were temporarily ignored as Congress churned out a $40 billion package for defense, counterterrorism and rebuilding New York and the Pentagon. Daschle also led the Senate in approving a colossal new agency to gird the nation against terrorism and new curbs on corporate behavior and and campaign spending.

    But Daschle's tenure as majority leader was cut short in November when Republicans regained control of the Senate in the November elections.

    Daschle grew up a former Catholic altar boy in Aberdeen, S.D., the oldest of four sons of an auto parts distributor.

    In a 2001 speech, Daschle said it was his mother, the daughter of German immigrants who still works as a volunteer in his Aberdeen office, who gave him his drive. "We had to clean the basement every Saturday before we could do anything. We ... shoveled the driveway, even when the drifts were over our heads."

    He attended South Dakota State University on a military-backed scholarship and served in the Air Force as an intelligence analyst with the Strategic Air Command.

    In the 1970s, he became a Washington staffer for Sen. James Abourezk, D-S.D., and in 1978, after an aggressive door-to-door campaign, won one of the state's two House seats by 139 votes.

    In 1982, when South Dakota lost one of those seats, he narrowly defeated the Republican holder of the second seat, and scored another close victory in 1986 when he ousted incumbent Republican Sen. Jim Abdnor.

    South Dakota's strong preference for Republicans in presidential elections is behind Daschle's insistence on staying in touch with people back home.
     
  8. MadMax

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    i can't disagree with you there...i don't see a lot of real compassion from those who seem to be the figureheads of christian conservatism. certainly not the compassion you would expect from one who claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ.
     
  9. B-Bob

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    Thanks for the post, rimrocker. This is excellent news! If we can just get Pleiberman to step aside (or finally switch parties), the Dems are almost assured to have new blood running in 2004.
     
  10. TheHorns

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    At this time there are 52 votes in the "best Houston Oiler Hall of Famer" thread after a day. Only 30 votes in over a week?

    To boost up the voting, maybe "Who Cares" should be an option.
     
  11. Achebe

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    Hell, I'd be willing to bet some of the 'others' are just republicans that want to take a quick peak at the tally, lol, horns.

    But don't vibe those of us who like to pretend that there is something to pay attention to in our party. :mad: :D
     
  12. TheHorns

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    I am all for new blood and its just not there. One of the problems is that the Dems keep going after the people that have been in Wash for soooo odamn long.

    It has taken new blood to get into office in the past 20+ years. Gore lost when he was running for the nomination. The last time there was a Dem Pres was a former Gov. Same with the Reps, aside from Bush (Poppa), you had Reagan and now Bush.

    People like McCain lose to guys that have not been there I think based on the fact they have not been so much in the spotlight trying too hard to position for the nomination. Look at the list of Dems and I think you see why things are wrong in the party. As much as you may hate Bush(other than your desire to see one of your people in there), do you honestly think that any one listed is SURE to do a better job than is currently being done?
     
  13. No Worries

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    Bush is pathethic and will go down in history as one of the very worst presidents. All of the listed Dem candidates are an order of magnitude better than Bush.

    BTW, TheHorns, are you a Democratic?
     
  14. MadMax

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    wow.
     
  15. Achebe

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    then the Emperor... has already won.
     
  16. RocketMan Tex

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    The Dem nominee will be either John Kerry or John Edwards.

    Bush Junior should fear running against both. Both can put a sentence together without the aid of a teleprompter a hell of alot better than he can (and without saying something stupid), and Kerry has the war service record that can make Junior look like the chickenhawk he really is.

    Bush's wettest dream would be to run against Gore, Daschle or (help me God) Al Sharpton. He would landslide any of those yahoos.
     
  17. B-Bob

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    Well, there's a tiny but important semantic problem with the question. I think a couple of those candidates would do a better job, yes. But you can never be sure of anything. Aside from that, my version of "better" will be very different from some other folks' version.

    And RMTex, I'm with you on those two, but I'm not with you on the importance of speaking lucidly. (Doesn't seem to matter to most people -- in fact, I think a lot of people find Bush warmer and less threatening because he doesn't seem "slick." That's a worry with Edwards, if only because he can definitely orate.)
     
  18. MadMax

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    hilarious!! :D
     
  19. No Worries

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    I have seen Kerry in a debate and in a hard fought re-election bid. He is tough as nails and would wipe Bush out in a debate (versus the free pass he got from Gore).
     
  20. MadMax

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    are you guys really underestimating bush again?? i mean seriously, this is like republicans talking about clinton! people just like him. look at his approval ratings. we all heard this same crap before....we all heard how gore would mop up bush in the debates...that bush was unintelligible....that he would be exposed as an idiot. guess what...didn't happen. and now he has experience and incumbency.

    i'm not saying he's unbeatable...but the comments here that he will get rolled and will go down as one of the worst presidents of all time are nuts.
     

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