So who are the conservatives on this board? Who are the liberals? What's the split look like?

Most are fed up (not just Tea Partiers) with the size of the federal government.

Most are also fed up with the Tea Partiers (those in power) crazy tactics (including their the Republicans).

 

I'm anti-stupid
I'm pro smart

And attractive!

 

Actually that's completely false. Both parties have drifted to the right. That's well documented.

I'm as liberal as they come. There has been no leftward drift of anything.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/charts-gop-shifts-right

That shows that Democratic presidents since Carter have been more conservative not less. Democrats in congress have also moved right.

Here's something from an article about it as well.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/05/democrats-have-moved-right-not-left

 

So according to the graph, Obama is more conservative than Clinton was?? Hmm, at first glance, I wouldn't agree with that at all.

 

And in between - the inconvenience of subjecting contemporary conservative policy to the harsh light of reason is too daunting/embarrassing a task for most.

It's actually quite the anomaly. Texas state politics operates in a backwards environment where old Fox News watching white folks dominate the electoral arena - CF.net is a much needed and feared exception.

 

Mann & Ornstein (resident AEI scholar)..wrote an entire book about the right's drift and how it's destroying Washington's functionality- it's obvious to any observer. Why do you think Bob Dole's health plan is now a socialist plot to destroy america? Why do you think government shutdowns are routine? I don't even need to get into the rest of it.

Either you are not being honest or you're not paying attention.

 

Conservative does not mean small government, it means the entrenchment and support of current values, norms, prevailing social structures and power structures. If they think they need to use government to support that agenda, they are not shy about doing so.

Conservatives have never just tried to dismantle government, and they don't now. They don't (and never have) wanted government out of the business world, they have instead always wanted government supporting the business over the populous and over international competitors. They think the government is a tool of the rulers of the status quo to keep things the way they are.

Hence massive military spending, spy networks, prisons, prisons, more prisons, patriot act, domestic spying, corporate welfare, no bid government contracts.

If you think the liberals are the only ones using big government to support their agenda, you are wrong. They both use it, they just have (slightly) different agendas.

Both parties are the party of big government, and both parties are threats to liberty, the individual and the American people.

 

I once considered myself to be very liberal, but the older I get I see myself swaying to the right on a lot of issues. Mostly social issue like the right to choose and gay marraige. I don't agree with or support either, but respect other's right to choose.

Edit: Acutally, after re-reading that I'm not sure that qualifies as a conservative view. Guess I'm still pretty liberal. Though, I am begining to hate how much of my income goes to taxes and healthcare insurance.

 

I see myself as a neo Mussolini fascist. I am not sure if that is conservative or liberal these days. Just awesome.

 

"oops"

No republicans, except Rand Paul, ted Cruz, and (oops) Rick perry?

Rick Perry:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/rick-perry-lists-3-departments-hed-cut-but-adds-one-misses-another/

Rand Paul (btw, he'd the guy you favor, no?):
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/us/politics/rand-pauls-mixed-inheritance.html?_r=0

Ted Cruz:
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pauls-Cruz-fire-up-tea-party-rally-3538664.php

 

I find the most interesting points are with respect to the political positions in general of sports fans from various sports.

We should have a thread devoted to it if we haven't had one before.

 

His cause was enthusiastically cheering for war on Iraq because of claimed wmd and that Iraq was somehow a threat to the US. Like many he was fooled when Bush Cheney and Powell and friends manufacturing evidence.

 

There is certainly a strong racist component of it and they tend to blame their problems on minorities getting food stamps etc which is a shame as they are hurting too due to the same one per centers.

 

Ah the joys of America in the 19th century -- the antebellum period up until the roaring twenties and the Great Depression. If only we could return.

 

As far as my sources you obviously didn't check the first link which isn't an opinion but actual data showing the shift to the right. I only used an opinion piece to back it up.

There are also Republicans that would love to eliminate the DoE, and the EPA.

 

Obama is more conservative than Clinton, but the media story is that he's a crazy liberal who appoints communists.

But policy wise he's more conservative than Clinton.

 

Yeah he is.