We only do this if JVG is sacked, which could happen with another first round exit. Otherwise, Jeff trades our #1 for another glue player.
Then again, V-Span was a second-round pick. Okay, I'm going to say that again, nice and slow for all you Spanboys: V-Span was a... SECOND... ROUND... PICK. This is what happens to most (I know, Gilbert and Cuttino, blah blah) second-round picks, especially those from Europe. They usually don't make the team, and when they do, they don't play much. His trade value can't go down much, because he never had much to begin with. He's got some potential, but I don't think you'd find a GM in the league willing to part with anything other than a similar "We had high hopes for him and it hasn't worked out so far" kind of guy. And definitely not a Stro Swift-level "potential" guy, either. I want Jessica Alba. If we both eat some really spicy burritos right before we go to sleep, we might be able to dream up something close.
Quit being ridiculous. V-Span hasn't even been on the team for an entire season yet and some of you are ready to jump to conclusions and say JVG is never gonna play V-Span. V-Span wasn't ready to come in and get significant minutes on a team that is a title contender. We could not risk W/Ls in the ultra-competitive WC by giving an unready V-Span significant minutes. I think V-Span is our PG of the future (as in not right now). V-Span is an extremely talented and capable player with a lot of years ahead of him. V-Span is a gifted young player who will someday in the near future be a very solid starter and roleplayer on our team. However, V-Span, like most foreign players, was completely unprepared to play significant minutes in the NBA. V-Span has to first get used to the rigors of the NBA season, he must get used to JVG's system and learn his role (he's not the T-mac in America, T-Mac is the T-Mac), he must fine tune his game in practice and once he does all of that and matures some... V-Span will become an increasingly solid contributor for us. I expect a lot more minutes for V-Span next season, with the possibility of him starting outright the season after that. I don't know why so many are ready to use him as trade bait to get someone else, give the guy some time for Christ's sake. Furthermore, why the hell does everyone seem to want Rashard Lewis? Yeah, he'd be a good guy to have in a perfect world but isn't he a bit out of our price range? Also, why do we need another SF again? Can someone remind me why we'd need another SF? Because last time I checked we need some depth at PG and PF.
Oh man. I say we just keep our draft pick and draft someone like Nick Fazekas and hope to GOD that next year, V-span develops into something respectable so that he can back-up Rafer or be shipped elsewhere. Start praying people.
This argument is so poor. This team is NOT a title contender. This excuse is used over and over, but this team isn't that good yet. It's obvious, JVG simply refused to develop Spanoulis or Novak and this excuse of title contender keeps being spouted about on this forum. But the team actually has to be good enough to win it for this logic to be true. You cannot use an argument that is wrong in order to justify another wrong as being right.
Ahhhh... I'm beginning to understand this now. JVG: "I don't care how great they are and how much they could help the team, I just hate rookies and I'm not going to play them!" Thanks for clearing that up. I get it now. That stubborn b*stard!
No, t's the insistence that the team is going to win a title now so you do not play young players at all. The problem is realistically Houston could beat Utah, yet it's close, could beat Dallas, yet it would be an upset. SA IMO is even harder, yet probably is possible, though not likely, then PHO is probably a pipe dream of beating them in a 7 game series. So this whole philosophy is completely flawed right from the get go. But hey, since 95 percent of the fan base seems to agree with it so be it, more power to JVG and more power to fans that keep on being satisfied with every year being in the same spot, hoping to get out of the first round that is. So many of the fans are just like JVG they only live in the now, they have no vision for the future at all, which is why the team seems to be stuck in quick sand. Why do we keep sacrificing the future for the now, when the now is still hoping to get by the first round? I think more and more we are turning into the Pacers of the East (the team before Artest) when every year they just hoped to get out of the first round yet seemingly having everything to win it all. Every excuse imaginable was given by fans, and the team just kept sticking with the same old every year.
all i can say is V-span has not ever had a performance that made me wish he was back out there, he is a rookie and struggling but next year hopefully will be different.
I have no problem playing rookies who show promise in order to develop them. But given numerous chances, I have yet to see enough promise and development in Spanoulis to warrant giving the guy minutes. People rag on Lucas all the time, but at this point in time, he is a better and more polished NBA player than Spanoulis. Forcing playing time on a guy who can't get it done is a foolish thing to do. Spanoulis will have summer league and training camp next year to play his way into the rotation. The burden of proof is on Spanoulis to show he can be a good player.
I was getting tired of these spanoulis sucks- spanoulis is great- spanoulis needs to be traded- spanoulis is the future posts because it's all speculation . anyone who claims that CD was wrong 2 bring him over after seeing the guy in 250 mins of mostly garbage time should apply for the ROX scouting position right now. as i recall spanoulis played a few games in october scored 13 points (nba career high) in a game against the GSW i believe and then was benched after a poor performance with 0/5 fg i think it was. than dissappeared after he's disagreement( to put it mildly) with VG. lately he played in a game 5 mins against the mavs scoring 5 or 6 points with 0 TO's DNP the next ,another game with 6 points in 4,5 mins DNP the next and then came that terrible performance with 12 mins and 3 TO's and most of the people in here crucified him after that.now he's back 2 DNP. Bball to anyone who played in a team (with a coach that is) is a game very much based in psychology. now if u're a rookie from a foreign country AND your coach is stating from the start that u're not his choice and shows everyday that he doesn't trust u, u'd have a hard time proving your skill even if u were MJ which u're not . what i'm trying 2 say is that spanoulis is an enigma still but ha sbeen payed 2 play bball for six years now so he will prolly overcome the difficulties mentioned above ( hopefully while playing for the ROX.One last thing the following OMINIQUE WILKINS,EDDIE JOHNSON,BYRON SCOTT, SCOT SKYLES, PEJA STOJAKOVIC,CLIFF LIVINGSTON, REBRACA,YARIC,WALTER BERRY,DAVID RIVERS and many more all have one thing in common, they've all played in the Greek bball championship so maybe the level there is not so low and maybe it's the best league in europe so spanoulis isn't that inexperienced afterall. ofcourse he needs to elevate his game in order to become a good nba player. THAT' ALL!!!!
That team went to the NBA finals. If the Rockets can follow that team's path to the finals, I would be pretty happy.
With that said, Steve Nash and Jason Kidd are both white AND exceptional point guards. V-span is white and therefore MUST be an exceptional point guard. OH WAIT. Jason Kidd is black
You said the team before they had Artest. They went to the finals in 2000 and got Artest in 2002, so I guess you were only talking about 1 season when they kept losing in the first round? Overall, including after getting Artest, they lost in the first round 3 times in a row (the three years Zeke coached them). That is not all that unusual, and the next season (under Rick Carlisle) they went to the ECF. So, if we fall into the dreaded trap you have predicted, we will lose in the first round this year, and next year go to the WCF?
