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So, what exactly is Mitt's issue with the embassy statement?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Sep 14, 2012.

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  1. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Contributing Member

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    Here is what Mitt said about the anti-Islam video:

    Here is the Cairo Embassy statement he complained about while under the mistaken impression that it was done after the embassy was attacked:

    Can someone explain to me what the difference is in the two statements in terms of:

    1. The opinion on freedom of speech, and

    2. The opinion on whether the merits of the film in question?

    How is one an apology to the protesters and the other one not?
     
    #1 Carl Herrera, Sep 14, 2012
  2. Carl Herrera

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    The White House and State Department had the statement retracted due to issue of tone, but essentially said the same thing essentially later with different wording, and certainly did not attack the original statement as an apology. I can see why you might want to change the wording on a statement released in response to a fast.moving situation, but there is a difference between that and deeming it an apology to a mob.
     
    #2 Carl Herrera, Sep 14, 2012
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    Very similar sentiment, but there is a difference. Romney seems to be delivering his personal opinion on the matter instead of making it sound like its the official US position, and its also not directed to the Muslim world but rather an American audience.
     
    #3 durvasa, Sep 14, 2012
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    it's so hilarious to me the libs are trying to cling to this to make themselves feel better about the chaos that has become Obama's middle east body of work

    keep it up boys!

    Distract! Distract!
     
    #4 bigtexxx, Sep 14, 2012
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    Romney acted as if Obama tweeted the message himself. "The embassy is the administration". Moron.
     
    #5 nono, Sep 14, 2012
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    Yes... Obama created the Arab Spring:rolleyes:
     
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  7. Carl Herrera

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    In this day and age, I doubt Romney's statement will only spread within the US. Other countries got media, too and the US election is covered. As for "official" vs "personal," I don't see it as a very relevant difference. Mitt is not speaking as an US official because he isn't elected. He is speaking as the GOP candidate, though and it is the official GOP candidate position.

    Here is Mitt's initial attack:


    If a statement expresses sympathy toward the attackers, it does so whether or not it comes from an embassy or a candidate.

    If Mitt was the President and his challenger candidate issued such a statement, does it mean he can't attack him/her for it cuz it isn't official US government release?
     
    #7 Carl Herrera, Sep 14, 2012
  8. Carl Herrera

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    1. Mitt's attack in question has nothing to do with the Arab Spring or any "chaos" being Obama created. It has to do with one specific statement. This is the topic of this thread, I see you have nothing to say about this topic.

    2. Mitt and the GOP were all over the place on Arab Spring reaction as it was happening. Some say the administration should have supported the uprisings early, some said we should stick with the old regimes, some change their opinion back and forth. They never came up with a coherent explanation on what they would have done had they been in charge. Worse, back when the GOP was in charge, they handled it badly. Getting into two wars, at least one by choice, costing tremendous loss to lives, money and good will of the allies.

    The Middle East is and has always been fraught with danger, but voters recognize that Obama has dealt with it much more wisely than the neocon chicken hawks.
     
    #8 Carl Herrera, Sep 14, 2012
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    mitt and the gop can go to hell there use the same old BS as before.There is a way this must be handled but they are for war not thinking about the people whos lives are at stake.
     
    #9 edwardc, Sep 14, 2012
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    In the long term, Mitt's statement will matter little in terms of election results.

    Obama's middle east policy blunders however will come under increasing scrutiny now that the middle east is seeing unprecedented region wide unrest.

    That just might be what turns the tide in this election.
     
    #10 TheresTheDagger, Sep 14, 2012
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    America didn't care about killing 4000 Americans, you think they're going to care about 4?
     
    #11 mc mark, Sep 15, 2012
  12. TheresTheDagger

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    I dunno. I said might.

    It depends a lot how Obama acts now that he has a real crisis to respond to. In 2004, they re-elected GWB based partly upon his reaction to the 9/11 crisis. Obama has never really been tested this way.
     
    #12 TheresTheDagger, Sep 15, 2012
  13. Carl Herrera

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    He took office while the financial market was in serious crisis and the nation was fighting two wars. There may not have been the death of an ambassador but there are plenty of attacks and attempted attacks against the US. Just ask the soldiers deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. There were protests, some violent ones, after revelations of, for example, US soldiers slaughtering civilians out of cruelty. There is the challenge of reacting to uprising in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya (you remember these) against authoritarians. There is the planning of a covert mission to kill bin Laden.


    There has been plenty of tests and he has done better than both the prior GOP administration and Mitt's team (who somehow could not manage being tested by visiting London during the Olympics).
     
    #13 Carl Herrera, Sep 15, 2012
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    "This is a fairly volatile situation, and it is in response not to United States policy, obviously not to the administration, not to the American people."

    ~Jay Carney--White House Press Secretary

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    #14 TheresTheDagger, Sep 15, 2012
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    Not at all.

    What we are seeing is democracy at work. Protests not organized by the gov't, but by groups outside the gov't. That is democracy - messy, painful, and shaky. Especially for young democracies.

    Everyone looks at the middle east as a mess. I see, a thing of beauty. People expressing their frustration - but without a massive crackdown, without fear of being persecuted, without being able to blame the U.S. as propping up puppet gov'ts.

    The game has changed. IF you can't see that, than that's just a shame.
     
    #15 Sweet Lou 4 2, Sep 15, 2012
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    1. Person makes video insulting Muslims.
    2. Muslims riot.
    3. Obama is to blame.

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vM2KI0Fs-fI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
    #16 dandorotik, Sep 15, 2012
  17. bigtexxx

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    Meanwhile Obama's lazy ass skips intelligence briefings and darts off to Vegas while our embassies are under attack and our ambassador gets killed
     
    #17 bigtexxx, Sep 15, 2012
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    He's concentrating on the most dangerous threat to America.
     
    #18 Dubious, Sep 15, 2012
  19. RedRedemption

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    A lot of people argue that Obama shouldn't get credit for the SEAL assault since he wasn't personally commandeering a gun and participating in the operation on the ground; stupid argument, but then why do people give him all the blame when this happens?

    GOP, the party of hypocrisy. Its clear that their primary goal is to blame Obama for anything and everything. And BigTexxx calls Obama Oblamer? LOL. Yeah, look in the mirror bud.
     
    #19 RedRedemption, Sep 15, 2012
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    Not what happened. Obama cancelled another meeting in order to meet with families of the state department involved in the attacks.

    Bush couldn't understand the intel bulletins so he called the meetings to have it explained to him. Other presidents have always done what Obama does, and that's read the bulletins.

    Obama, exactly like Mitt Romney, did not suspend his campaign and met pre-scheduled campain events.

    Man, you're wrong almost all the time.
     
    #20 FranchiseBlade, Sep 15, 2012
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