So...we should trade with the Knicks

That's giving up an awful lot for the #4 pick but that is definitely what it would take for NY to consider it.

 

The Knicks probably won't be trading all the way back to 18.

 

we were 3 wins away from the finals... not worth moving all of our assets for a roll of the dice in the draft.

same thing for the knicks. none of what we give them will have the potential to be a franchise player which is what they need.

 

Our window is small with the Dwight and Harden duo. A rookie needs at least a little bit of time to develop into a good NBA basketball player and it takes probably about a year or two for them to start developing consistency.

Also, with the salary cap increase coming, the biggest objective should be to sign as many deserving, max contract esque players to multiple years because it'll just us the ability to sign one or two great players when we are set in at 60 million for the next three years but now have 30 million extra to spend...essentially creating a super team

 

That would not be enough to get to #4 unfortunately.

It would start with D-Mo + TJones + Ariza + 18 + 32 + future picks.

Remember, #4 is a potential superstar, so the price will be super high.

 

Hmm... a trade idea. A random one.

I doubt the Knicks are gonna give up a top pick for a grab bag of lower picks and minor assets. If they are giving up a top pick, it would be for the best established star player that they can find-- a "win now" bet on Melo + other star being good enough to compete.

 

Rockets DONT want to play rookies. Can we stop thinking someone out of college is going to come in and immediately play a significant role? Not happening, unless its Llull.

 

Exactly. No way in hell NYK moves the #4 pick they spent all season tanking to get, for the package suggested by the OP. The city would lose its mind.

For Phil to even consider it, I'm thinking D'mo and Capela at the very least would have to be included. And I don't think any of us would be on board for that proposal.

 

most realistic post here.

morey has made it clear we are not trying to develop players. we are trying to win it all, right now.

 

True. But some players undeveloped are better than some of the developed players on the roster. Have to reconize that.

While I can't see moving up to #4, I can see the possibility of moving up to #7 or #8 and grabbing Hezonja.

 

How many of these rookies hit the ground running? Most take 3-4 years to become good players, check out Harden's stats his first 3 years in the league. Trading everybody means you go from contender to lucky to make the playoffs. By the rookie is ready to contribute Dwight will be done.

Also if you're the Knicks why will you trade a top 4 pick for a bunch of sparewheels? Capela, Tjones, Dmo etc none of these guys have superstar potential so why would you trade your pick for them? Just to make the playoffs? Other teams arent stupid, they wont trade a top 5 pick just to make the playoffs and then get stomped on.

 

Though this may be the most feasible big draft day trade we could make, I don't see it haooening. Besides DMO, I don't see a combination of players a draft picks satiating the needs of the knickd. Needless to say, we have swindled the sorrier franchises like the Knicks and kings, but I can't see them passing on a Russell or Mudiay

 

No deal unless we get Bargnani.

 

Bargnani and Smith of a bench, 5 years ago no one would imagined this possible, but here we are now. To heck with it, lets throw in our entire starting 5 for Melo too. Let's switch teams entirely, minus JSmoove

 

Firstly theres not enough value for the fourth pick. Maybe if it was 2013 daft. This offer can get you around 7-8 at best. Secondly doesnt make any sense for the other teams. You dont send back ready to contribute young players except maybe jones. The second 2017 and the first 2016 are worth almost nothing. Neither does papa and johnson.
so the trade basically is a mid first a early second a third year pf that is about to get paid and a raw rookie who is a mystery really because he has played too few minutes. There are too many teams that can beat this offer in their sleep. Celtics send 2015 #16 + 2017 brooklyn first. And its over.

Lastly the Rockets are better off picking a player later in the draft like oubre or hunter and mold him into a 3+D wing themselves and keep all their assets.

 

the value of a high draft pick to a contending team is nowhere near as high as it is to a bad team, the chances of the two meeting is incredibly small.

 

We develop our picks and pick up role players... that's our system. Rinse and repeat untill you get to the championship. It started a long time ago... when Morey took the ship.

 

Jsut not going to happen.

It's completely different values here. A rebuilding team sees a top 5 pick as gold, the only way they are trading back is if they staying in the 5-10 range AND getting back an all-star caliber player. Last time I can think of such a trade happening is the Pelicans trading for Jrue...but this is a team (NOH) that has been trying to make moves into being a contender and probably understand that winning now means keeping Davis there instead of fiddling around with rookies hoping to team him up with another top 5 pick like KD-Westbrook.

Any ways, we won't value the pick high enough because to get it would mean to ruin our depth. I could see such a thing happening though if there was a surefire superstar right there to be had...then again those guys go #1 and if it was so obvious then the drafting team is not going to trade that any ways.