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So now, what do we do with the MLE?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rofflesaurus, Jul 8, 2009.

  1. Egghead

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    Zaza has resigned with the Hawks... which means we cant sign him!

    http://www.ajc.com/hawks/content/sports/hawks/stories/2009/07/08/hawks_pachulia_deal.html

    Hawks, Pachulia agree to terms
    Long-term deal forthcoming for free agent center, sources say

    By SEKOU SMITH

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

    Wednesday, July 08, 2009

    Free agent center Zaza Pachulia has agreed to terms with the Hawks on a long-term deal, according to two sources familiar with the situation.

    Pachulia, 25, spent the last four years with the Hawks on a $16 million deal. His new deal is believed to be for the same amount of years but with a significant raise, according to one of the sources familiar with the situation.
     
  2. FLASH21

    FLASH21 Heart O' Champs

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    Question:

    If we don't use the MLE this year will we have that next year x2 or will it be the same amount it was this year?
     
  3. TreP3

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    I say let's play this like fantasy sports: sign the best available talent that will go for the MLE, and package them in a trade to land someone better or shed some cap space.

    Or, sign the rookies and a scrub C. Realistic and responsible decisions aren't as fun though.
     
  4. ClutchCityReturns

    ClutchCityReturns Contributing Member

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    The MLE is given out year-by-year to teams that are over the cap. It does not carry over.
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
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    The Rockets would be complete FOOLS not to sign Von Wafer, look at this mix and see how good he is in an open court game.

    This guy has HUGE upside, more than any Rocket on the current roster, IMO.

    DD
     
  6. htown1984

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    Here goes the list Morey will be evaluating

    26 and Under: Decent Talents

    Ryan Hollins (Restricted)
    This past season, Hollins played in just 45 games and averaged a quiet 3.2 points and 2.2 rebounds. However, it was a solid year for the 24-year old, as his per 36 minute stats translate to 11.6 points, 7.9 rebounds, and 2.6 blocks. He also made 53% of his shots, and that number should rise as he gets more experience. Hollins is an excellent athlete for his size, and due to his relatively young age, I really like his potential. I’m not sure what Charlotte was thinking when they traded him to Dallas for DeSagana Diop, but now the Mavs will be able to match any offer made to Hollins. Fantasy Impact: for those wondering, Erick Dampier still has 2 agonizingly long years left on his contract.

    Solomon Jones (Restricted)
    Jones hasn’t improved much since his rookie year, so it will be interesting to see if the Hawks choose to bring him back. He’s a rather skinny big man, but his long wingspan and nice leaping ability help him to block and alter shots. His offense still needs a lot of work, and since he turns 25 in July, it’s questionable how high his upside really is.

    Joel Anthony (Restricted)
    Anthony turned some heads this past season, blocking 93 shots in limited minutes, for an average of 3.2 rejections per 36. Like Jones, Anthony has very long arms and is a restricted free agent this summer. One negative is that, despite only 2 years of NBA experience, Joel is already 26 years old. This means his upside is also limited, so Miami shouldn’t pay a lot to re-sign him. Fantasy Impact: is worth watching if Jermaine O’Neal can’t stay healthy.

    Kyrylo Fesenko (Restricted or Team Option for $.9 million)
    I’m a fan of Kyrylo Fesenko, but I’m not sure if Jerry Sloan is. The 22-year old still has a lot of maturing to do, but he has a huge body with big soft hands, and is fairly mobile for his size. Comparing both his NBA and D-League stats from his rookie year to sophomore year, he cut back on his turnovers and fouls while improving other aspects of his game. Having a guy like Kirilenko around to mentor him is hugely important, so I hope the Jazz exercise their team option on Fes.

    Savvy Veterans: Solid and Cheap

    Rasho Nesterovic (Unrestricted)
    Believe it or not, Rasho set career highs this past season by averaging 14.0 points and 3.2 assists per 36 minutes played, and he’s shot over 50% from the field 4 seasons in a row. His rebounding and shot-blocking skills have declined, but he’s still a decent player on both ends of the floor, and at the age of 33, but he’s still a solid backup. Will the Pacers re-sign him, or are they ready to lean heavily on Roy Hibbert? Fantasy Impact: if he signs elsewhere, Hibbert and Jeff Foster will get more minutes.

    Brian Skinner (Unrestricted or Player Option for $1.3 million)
    Skinner was forced to play more minutes than expected due to several Clipper injuries, and he averaged a decent 7.5 points, 5.9 boards, and 1.4 blocks on 47% FG shooting in 21 starts. However, with Chris Kaman healthy and Blake Griffin arriving shortly, there won’t be much need for Skinner’s services in Los Angeles, so the 33-year old may not exercise his player option.

    Theo Ratliff (Unrestricted)
    Ratliff re-joined the 76ers this past season, the same team where he once averaged a league-best 3.7 blocked shots per game. At the age of 36, he’s still an elite shot-blocker, but after criticizing their coaching staff and skipping their final team meeting, Theo won’t be back in a Philly uniform.

    Adonal Foyle (Unrestricted)
    Foyle played a total of just 59 minutes this past season for Orlando, and in that limited action, he managed to rack up an incredible 26 rebounds and 8 blocks! So the 34-year old can still be effective, but his real value lies off the court, where he’s one of the smartest and most professional players around.

    Sean Marks (Unrestricted)
    He played in just 57 NBA games before the age of 29, but since then, Sean Marks has suited up for the Spurs, Suns, and Hornets. He’ll turn 34 in August and his skills are quite limited, but he’s a good 12th man/practice player, so another minimum contract seems likely.

    Jamaal Magloire (Unrestricted)
    He just turned 31, and he peaked a long time ago, but Magloire is still a serviceable backup center. He played 47 minutes this past postseason, and while he scored just 2 points, he pulled down 11 boards (5 offensive) and racked up 9 personal fouls. His career average of 10.8 rebounds per 36 minutes is very solid, and he’s still a physical defender who’s not afraid to mix it up. Someone will make room for the “Big Cat.”

    Borderline Options: Risky or Unproven
    Jason Collins (Unrestricted)
    Jason Collins has started 429 games in his NBA career, so it’s tough to knock the guy. However, if you look at his detailed on court vs. off court stats, you’ll see that Minnesota was a MUCH better offensive team when he was on the bench, and they were a better defensive team when he was on the bench as well. Sure, he sets good screens and does the dirty work without complaining, but he’s become a major liability, and teams should be wary of signing him.

    Lorenzen Wright (Unrestricted)
    Over the past two seasons, Lo-Wright has played 286 minutes for 3 different teams, averaging 1.1 points and 1.8 rebounds in the process. He’s never been much of a scorer, but his rebounding rate has declined in recent years, and at the age of 33, it’s unlikely to bounce back. Someone may consider the 13-year veteran, but they’d have to be really desperate.

    Mikki Moore (Unrestricted)
    In ‘06-07, Mikki Moore had a career-year in New Jersey, averaging 9.8 points and leading the league in FG% by running the floor with Jason Kidd. Overestimating his abilities, the Kings decided to offer Moore $18 million for 3 years. After 1 1/2 disappointing seasons, Sacramento waived him. Luckily, the 3rd year wasn’t fully guaranteed, but they’ll still have to pay him $2 million next season. Mikki played in 24 regular season and 10 postseason games for the Celtics after being waived, but he didn’t give them the boost that they were hoping for (and sorely needed due to Garnett and Powe going down). At 33 years old, he is now a very risky option.

    Aaron Gray (Restricted)
    The good: Gray has excellent size, is a solid rebounder, and a decent touch around the rim. The bad: everything else. Gray is very limited athletically, so it’s no surprise that he fell out of Chicago’s rotation. He’s a restricted free agent, but I doubt that the Bulls want him back, so he’ll be available to any team that wants to take a chance on him.

    Patrick O’Bryant (Restricted or Team Option for $1.6 million)
    I’d really like to write this guy off, but since he’s fairly young (turns 23 on June 20th), he could still develop into a decent bench player I suppose. Despite three seasons of NBA experience, O’Bryant still picks up fouls left and right (for his career, he has 116 rebounds compared to 114 fouls), and after being traded twice already, his confidence can’t be very high. The Raptors have a team option for him, but they could opt for this next guy instead.

    Nathan Jawai (Restricted or Team Option for $.7 million)
    Since Jawai played just 19 minutes for the Raptors as a rookie, let’s examine his D-League stats instead. In 14 games, he averaged 11.1 points, 6.4 boards, 5.1 free throw attempts, 1.6 assists, 1.1 blocks, and 3.4 fouls in 24.1 minutes on 52.6% FG and 77.8% FT shooting. Decent stats, but nothing to write home about. He’s 22, he has a big body, and is fairly athletic, so the potential is still there, but he has a LONG ways to go before being an NBA rotation player.

    Johan Petro (Restricted or Qualifying Offer for $2.9 million)
    Petro has 4 years of NBA experience now, but his career is headed in the wrong direction. After shooting 51% from the field and averaging 1.4 blocks to 6.0 fouls per 36 minutes as a 20-year old rookie, Johan shot just 41.5% from the field and averaged .9 blocks to 6.9 fouls per 36 minutes as a 23-year old. He’s still young enough to turn his career around, but in my opinion, he rarely looks comfortable on the floor, and I’m guessing that he’ll continue to disappoint.

    Robert Swift (Unrestricted)
    Swift was the #12 pick in the 2004 draft (ahead of Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, Jameer Nelson, Kevin Martin, JR Smith, Trevor Ariza, etc.), and while injuries have certainly slowed him down, he needs to start producing immediately if he wants to stay in the NBA. In 26 games for the Thunder this past season, he averaged a mediocre 9.0 points, 9.3 rebounds, 1.8 blocks, and 5.2 fouls per 36 minutes. He’s still just 23, but it looks like picking him and Petro (ahead of David Lee, Ronny Turiaf, Monta Ellis, etc.) with back-to-back 1st round picks turned out to be a bad idea. Of course, that was before Sam Presti took over as GM.

    Out of the League???

    Raef LaFrentz (Unrestricted)
    Raef LaFrentz didn’t play at all in ‘08-09, and he played sparingly for Portland in the couple of seasons before that. To see how much he’s fallen off, just look at his outside shot. After making 112-of-286 threes (39.2% 3P) in ‘05-06, Raefer has shot a sorry 2-27 from beyond the arc (7.4% 3P) since then. He isn’t very valuable without his 3-point shot, because LaFrentz is no longer the intimidating shot-blocker that he once was. At the age of 32, his NBA career might be over.

    Chris Mihm (Unrestricted)
    After missing the entire ‘06-07 season, Mihm played just 383 minutes for the Lakers over the past couple of years, shooting just 47-135 from the field in that timeframe. He was traded to Memphis in February, but had right ankle surgery and never suited up for them. Injuries have derailed his career, and at this point, he’s likely played his last NBA game.

    Jake Voskuhl (Unrestricted)
    Back in 2000, who knew that Jake Voskuhl (8.5 points and 6.4 rebounds for UConn in ‘99-00) would play in 400 more NBA games than Khalid El-Amin (16.0 points and 5.2 assists for UConn in ‘99-00 after leading them to a National Championship in 1999)? Since big bodies are always in demand, Voskuhl is a 9-year veteran, despite never having blocked more than 29 shots in a season. Someone might want his veteran presence around, but I would rather gamble on a young player with some athleticism.

    Calvin Booth (Unrestricted)
    Another overpaid 7-footer? Despite career averages of 3.3 points, 2.8 boards, 1.0 blocks, and 1.9 fouls, Booth managed to make over $36 million over the past 8 years. Can we please let him retire now?
     
  7. tinywang

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    We could've had Artest!!!!!!!!

    That is all.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    I would take a league minimum look at Chris Mihm.

    DD
     
  9. FLASH21

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    Why would the team want to save it then? I'm sure it won't be wasted as long as it's used by the trade deadline.

    I think Morey's plan is to pay the rooks and find a cheap/sevicable/young/athletic well you get it player. :D
     
  10. dantonv08

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    Completely Agree....
     
  11. D-rock

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    So would I. Those are pretty slim pickings right there.
     
  12. legacygt777

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    how does dallas and san antonio afford all those new signings? someone explain?
     
  13. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    What players are out there that are proven, in the last year of their contract, and in unfavorable situations that may lead to their release near the deadline? Usually you get questionable guys like Marbury or old guys like Kurt Thomas that fit that bill.

    But are there any sexy potential options out there this season? I haven't looked into it. If we have playoff hopes halfway down the road maybe we just split that MLE between 2 veterans for 1yr contracts and try and win a series. Why would they come here? Because we would be offering quadruple the amount they would get somewhere else.
     
  14. rockets934life

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    Dallas used mid class to sign Gortat, resigned there own player in Kidd and sign and trade to get Marion BUT there over the salary cap big time so Luxury TAX is coming!

    SA traded for Jefferson and used Mid Class money on Dyess

    Give it a few days we are about to shake things up!
     
  15. Mashing

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    Resign Wafer a scrub center to take up space (to a 1 year deal) and call it a day.
     
  16. ctry2582

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    AI one year deal
     
  17. Mashing

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    I'm disappointed that Wafer mix tape didn't include any of his highlights in the Cleveland game. He was on fire that game.
     
  18. jopatmc

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    I say we use the MLE to get a player to agree to terms and decide he wants to come to Houston, then we use a S&T instead, giving his old team the opportunity to get some talent or complete a 3-way trade. The MLE is good leverage to have to sell a player on coming here. If we can S&T other talent instead after winning the player and agreeing to terms, then we can effectively get another piece that fits without actually using the MLE and going into the luxury tax.
     
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    Thank you DD Finally somebody else with some darn sense on this board. This dude has Rocket killer all over him if we don't sign this guy. Him and Arzia playing the passing lanes creating turnovers and running the open court would be beautiful...He has already proved he could carry us a few games doing the season.
     
  20. Petey-N-Htown

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    That would be fine with me.
     

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