Did anyone catch Tracy on the Hotlist on ESPNews?. He was on there with Big Papi promoting Vitamin Water from Yankee stadium... Said he "hopes" he can play a full season and has been rehabbing with a new form of treatment for his back... Also stated he never wanted to face Clemens again on the mound.... I would have posted a new thread but I am not allowed...
There are a couple of things that makes Kobe a better player. Defense. Kobe has 6 all nba defensive team appearance and counting, Tracy has none. You can't take that for nothing. Clutchness. Kobe simply has made many more game winning shot than Tracy, paticularly in playoff. And his 9.7 average in 4th quarter is ridiculous, nobody is more than 8. Offense, Kobe can finish around the rim better than tracy, while also has a ridiculous range (way out of 3 pts line). And yes, 35 ppg is much more difficult than 32. 81 is more difficult than 62. Someone brings up 43 vs. Pistons for Tracy's defense, but Kobe has 40 pts vs. Pistons too. And he even managed to win one. Competitiveness, Kobe refused to lose, they were down 18 in a game vs. Toronto and he just took it over all by himself. 15 down in 4th quarter vs. Blazers in game 7. 28 down in 4th quarter vs. Mavs. Twice 15 down in 4th quarter vs. Tracy's Magic and he managed to win it.
Kobe is not a better player.. All NBA defensive team are actually bull-crap.. I dont know how they choose players, but I am sure that T-mac is a much better Defensive player than Kobe; it's not about stats and "how many steals he gets", it's about who gets good players on lock (like what T-mac did to Lebron)... you must be kidding me!!!.. clutchness, omg... Kobe is a great player and a great clutch player, but he that's because HE IS A FREAKIN BALL-HOG...HE HAS TO TAKE EVERY SINGLE DANG SHOT in the 4th quarter, and that caused the "ridiculous" 9.7 in the 4th and that also resulted in LOSING MOST OF THE GAMES WHEN HE SCORED ALOT!!!.. and one more thing, I think we should review the 13 in 35, game 2 in Dallas, and many more to refresh our memory and to help us DEFINE clutchness.. I agree with u on that.. T-mac cant finish around the rim as good as Kobe, I think the main reason for that is his concern with his back (he doesn't want to hurt himself) actually, I think T-mac has a better range "way out of 3 pts line", that was clearly demonstrated in the all star games and in the Hurricane Katrina special game... once again,, it's not about how many points u score, it's all about winning and BEING GOOD FOR THE TEAM, NOT FOR YOUR STATS.. Kobe ?, Competitiveness ??.. Kobe doesn't refuse to lose, he actually starts taking more shots when they are losing and hogs the ball even more... and dont forget about his dirty stupid attitude and his " angriness" and "frustration" on his team-mates when he is losing.. while on the other hand, T-mac never gives up, he always gives 100% and that's what I care about...
You forgot to mention that he gave up game 7 to prove a point. he can say whatever he wants, but we ALL know he wouldn't normally take so few shots unless he was childishly trying to prove a point. Tracy takes his criticism, and just goes out and plays. Kobe, doesn't understand that. The more and more I see Kobe pull of his antics, the less and less I respect him as a ball player. He *COULD* be outstandingly great...could...
great point.. I think exactly the same way, and I really believe that he is the greatest talent (sometimes I even start comparing him with MJ, but I still hate both though )....I know that he COULD be really really great, even one of the greatest, but His STUPID attitude and SELFISHNESS wont let him... o well, nobody is perfect..
Didn't T-Mac admit to dogging it during games because he was frustrated from all of the losing? And as for your defensive team argument, thats all well and good. Just don't go using Hakeems numerous 1st team all D appearances to prove how much better he was than everyone else.
TMac locked down Lebron, but Kobe locked down TMac, VC, Redd, Allen and more. How about Kobe locked down TMac, scored 24:5 after switched to him in 4th quarter in a game where Lakers were behind 15 pts and won? Coaches choose defensive team, they watched more NBA games and films more than any media or fans, so they have some credibility. It's not like TMac wasn't ballhog in Magic, and yet he wasn't close in hitting clutch shots. And Lakers won half of the close games this year as stats said, not great, but acceptable for their level Well, I don't want to hear excuse. You can as well say if TMac wasn't concern with his back, Rox will win final this year. Kobe actually hit more mid-court 3pts in real NBA games, who cared about all star games? very true, but TMac doesn't have more winning. Yeah, talk about retirement becoz of zone. tanking because of losing faith of teammates in Magic. Can't focus on basketball becoz of family issue. Kobe was more dedicated even when he was in the rape charge.
This is so not true. Kobe scored 23 points in first half and they were behind 15 points? What do you wanted him to do? Score another 23 and lost by 30? The game was lost on defense side, when his teammates should step up. He tried to involved teammates and fired them on both sides, it didn't work. that's it. Lebron had a 22 points first half, 0 pts second half and nobody said he tanked it. Double standard?
Point taken. I just wonder what takes these guys out of their games? I mean that much out of their game. Losing by a lot makes you say, OK, i better try something different. But talking yourself completely out of the game offensively, is like asking Ryan Bowen to carry the offensive load for the Rockets...just doesn't make sense.
Alright goodbug, I just have one thing to say to you... tell Kobe to lock down this - or tell Tmac to lock down Kobe.
Can't really factor this season since he was injured most of the time. But do look at the 2005 Playoffs where he averaged ~30 ppg and also shut Nowitzki down on the defensive end. Not to mention the clutch 13 points in 35 seconds including the game-winning 3 against the Spurs last year who had a tremendous defense and went on to win the championship. Also, even further back, look what he did in Orlando. Won two scoring titles and averaged a 30+ PER for the season which no one had done before that since Jordan. Not to mention, all the amazing dunks, layups, jumpers. I think McGrady doesn't get enough recognition for his talent. Much of this is because the league is too interested in hyping up LeBron and Wade since they are younger and have many more years remaining in the league.
that's what I was thinking man.. dear goodbug: please go back to your fakers forum and cheer on your superhero Kobe..
Kobe locked down VC ?? Allen ?? Redd ?? Tmac ?? are u serious.. dang man, it's either one of the two:1. you never watched a single game for Kobe or 2. you are making stuff up... Kobe is an "alright" defensive player but he is overrated because he has a lot of steals, and having a lot of steals means that he always goes for the steal when playing D, and everybody knows that 50% of the time you go for the steal you dont successfully make it (it's all about anticipation), and not successfully making the steal means two points for the other team (gets fully outta position, and it ends up and easy 2 or three) .. so dont look at the steals... and Kobe DIDN'T and will NEVER lock down T-mac... so T-mac haters gotta live with it... and one more thing, if Fuzzybear's picture evidence is not enough, I suggest u search "t-mac the maestro" and download it .. it is a very nice video (it's a lil long though).. and focus on the video when it's 2:09, It shows a great block by T-mac on MR.BALLHOG.. screw coaches, everybody knows that they dont make the selection based on the actual thing, they make it according to STATS and to the demand of people (the NBA is a whole different thing than what we think, it is turning into a "business" and these people just wanna make money) T-mac wasn't a ball-hog in the Magic, the dude played well and distributed the ball to his teammates, but the stupid Magic organization wanted to save money and they got him a bunch of TRASH to play with.. so he had no choice but to play selfishly and take more shots.. now I still believe that even though you have bad teamates, you should still pass the ball.. but o well, T-mac learned a lesson and he is playing the right way now with the rockets..on the other hand, your Mr. BAllhog Kobe is a CERTIFIED BALLHOG, it is official.. he is surrounded with great players, (yes, dont tell me that he has nobody, I've heard this from many Fakers fans.. they keep saying "he aint got nobody so he has to be a ball-hog).. all of the lakers players (nobody hates them more than I do) are above average players.. they have a complete team.. they have shooters, they have a good PG, the only thing they lack is a Center, but too bad, MR. BALLHOG DIDN'T WANT SHAQ ON HIS TEAM.. that's not an excuse, that's a fact.. I think you should go back and watch a couple games from his orlando years or the 04-05 season or search youtube.com for t-mac's videos, they are full of CRAZY DRIVES AND DUNKS that Kobe cant even dream of doing.... well u just said it, he hit mid-court 3's in REAL NBA GAMES,..well, you are NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT !!!... this means that Kobe is stupid and is a BALLHOG.. it also tells u that he cant run the offense and he takes the low-percentage shots at the end of the shot-clock instead of passing it to an open teamate.. well, if T-mac had Shaq in the period when "super man Kobe" won all of these championships, he would've probably won MORE... and I think u forgot about 04-05 season.. to refresh our memory, WHO HAD MORE WINS ??????? when something bad happens to your family (god forbids) it is not that easy to focus and play basketball.. T-mac had to deal with many critical family issues (usually death), while Kobe had to deal with his stupid "RAPE" issue.. if he wasn't a dirty thug (and I wanted to use a two-lettered word but I dont think it's appropriate in this board).. You cant control family issues, but you can control your stupid attitude problems and "RAPE" issues..
