So it begins - Opposition to Mosque Projects Across America

Show me please!

I agree that modern day Islam is full of contradictions, but I haven't seen any in the Quran.

 

Would it be accurate to say that Muslims view Jesus PBUH the way Christians view Moses PBUH?

 

any examples?

 

Someone finally told me what PBUH stands for. Just out of curiosity, what is the point of repeating that after their names all the time? Seems a bit robotic.

 

sure. read Mark's version of any of the following:

Jesus birth, life, death and resurrection. The cleansing of the temple. The voice at Jesus' baptism. Jesus' genealogy. Judas' betrayal. The death of Judas. Jesus' teachings according to Mark. Jesus' miracles according to Mark. Why Jesus died.

then read Matthew and Luke's versions of the same as above.

 

That is odd that you would say Mark. I thought Mark was mostly a combination of Luke and Mathew.

 

a combination? hmmm. a combination that tells 3 different versions of the same stories....

eh. doesn't matter. I think most scholars agree that none of these books were actually written by the authors named anyway.

 

I am no biblical scholar but I was just talking about this.

 

I don't find it important, but I do it out of respect to others.

 

Nice job trying to throw out as much mud as you can to see what sticks. Show me a specific example of how the gospels contradict each other. Go ahead. You're obviously a bible scholar who has done his homework before throwing out silly postulations.

Anyways, back on topic -- stories like this are just disgusting. It befuddles me how someone can publicly claim to be a "christian" and proclaim that Jesus hates someone, or call a little child a murderer. These are some sick, deranged souls ... may God have mercy on them.

 

There have been many books written on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_consistency_of_the_Bible#Examples

Of course, the true believers always have a ready answer why the contradictions actually aren't contradictions. It is difficult to argue facts with true believers. I imagine that arguing with these Islam-haters about Jesus and love, one would encounter a similarly frustrating faith-induced myopia.

It is like the James Ossuary or the Shroud of Turin or any of the millions of faked medieval relics that populate Europe and are venerated. People just turn their critical minds off because they want to believe. The fact that there are contradictions should only be a problem for you if you are a bible literalist, who thinks the world was created in 5,000 years and God directly narrated the bible which is absolute unshakable truth.

 

all this radical islam - samesex marriage - illegal alien talk makes for nice 24h news and smalltalk on the sheep pasture, but more importantly it serves as a real nice distraction away from what is far and away the foremost issue at hand: mountains and mountains of debt that will never be paid off by the federal or state governments without severe devaluation of the US dollar. ok nevermind, carry on back to your scheduled programming now

 

Props to Otto for that awesome article.

I think this biblical discussion has been done here before several times.

 

As convenient as it is to have an explanation prepared for every "contradiction", don't you think it's equally convenient to say that "there will always be an explanation"?

Just seems odd to me to discredit them based on any of the following:

- "There will always be people who say there are contradictions" or
- "There will always be people who have explanations for the contradictions"

The logical response to this kind of argument seems to be "There will always be people who have explanations for explanations of contradictions"

Maybe I just misunderstood you.

 

Fighting radicalism with radicalism, except one side doesn't kill people......yet .

 

Yeah thats what it's come too were does it end.

 

can't tell if you're really swallowing the obama kool-aid here or instead merely gargling for this forum as part of another elaborate D&D ruse in this case showcasing the quintessential over-the-top uber-donkey patriot. but anyways, neither component of the duopoly, dem or repub, has done much of anything different with regards to the banking club no matter which has been in office. before bush jr. steepened the debt curve even more, clinton was busy deregulating banks with an abracadabra poof disappear in thin air of glass-steagall. and since the war-president bush, obama has not only maintained war and it's spiraling costs, but also accelerated spending and brought in all of bubba's same crooks from the glass-steagall-repealing days just to see what else more they can f*** up maybe. so in short, i already know for sure you're one wascally wabbit but i dunno if in this particular instance you're genuinely simply a victim of having had your carrots dipped in the red juice or you're just taking all these sing-along d-elmer-crats on the board for a big ride and then one day you're gonna laugh in their faces "that's all folks". ima have to go w/ the latter

 

sigh, Matthew 1:18-2:23; Luke 1:4-2:40.

Matthew claims that wise men come from the east where they ask about where the king of the jews is to be born. King Herod learns from jewish scholars that that it is predicted that the king will come from Bethlehem. Herod himself a king is fearful of the prophecies and sends troops to kill every infant 2 years and younger. Jospeh and Mary flee and eventually end up in Nazereth.

Luke claims that there is a decree from the roman emperor Augustus that everyone in the empire is to return to their ancestral home and register for a census when Quirinius was the governor of Syria. So Joseph and Mary travel to Bethlehem. While there she gives birth to Jesus.

in terms of historical record, no other source mentions King Herod slaughtering children. Also, no other source mentions a record of Ceasar Augustus calling for a census. And Herod isn't mentioned in Luke, nor Ceasar in Matthew.

if the gospels are right that Jesus' birth happened during Herod's reign, then Luke cannot also be correct that it happend when Quirinius was the governor of Syria. Jewish historian Josephus, Roman historian Tacitus and several other ancient inscriptions state that Quirinius did not become governor until 10 years after Herod died.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirinius

it's obvious that both Matthew and Luke want Jesus born in Bethlehem, not from Nazareth in Galilee. Probably to fulfill Old Testament scripture in Micah, that a savior would come from Bethlehem. And, of course, because David was from Bethlehem. but Matthew and Luke tell two contradicting ways of getting Jesus born in Bethlehem.

we can go to Judas next if you like...

 

The people pushing the anti-mosque agenda make me scratch my head. Can people really be this stupid? Is it possible? It sure seems so.

By reacting in this fashion, they are doing exactly what al Qaeda expects and wants. By trying to restrict religious freedom in America, they are attempting to destroy what makes us America in the first place. It shouldn't matter where a mosque is; if it's on American soil, it should be tolerated by all Americans. Don't they realize this? Don't they realize America is founded on freedom of religion with no asterisks or exceptions? This is why they're stupid.

Don't they realize that 25% of the planet is Muslim? Don't they realize that the terrorists are simply extremists and extremists exist with any religion? Apparently not. This is why they're stupid.

I don't like calling people stupid, but I've stopped trying to find adjectives to describe these folks lately.