So is there a clash of civilizations or is it a made up thing?

Please. The economics is one thing, but the idea that Al Qaeda launched their attacks to intentionally make us curtail our civil liberties is one of the most utterly self-centered ideas out there - it assumes that we're so important that our enemies view us taking our shoes off at an airport as a victory, when the reality is they couldn't care less. It's basically "they hate us for our FREEDOM" with a touch more elaboration.

 

can one infer from this comment that you'd be ok w/ a 9/11 style attack, with attendant loss of life and property, every 10 years or so?

"ok" is perhaps the wrong word; perhaps "accept" is better...as the cost of keeping our "freedoms" and not spending trillions of dollars on "wars of choice."

 

The Israeli government pays people to comment online, confirmed by oh... the Israeli government.

Yeah, you don't need to tell Americans that radical Islam is a vague threat. We had the worst terrorist attack in oh the history of the world so yeah, we get it. We also understand what Zionism is and what Zionism has done in the last 75 years. Your arguments against terrorism would be much stronger if you weren't terrorists yourselves. You're like two gangsters complaining about each other.

 

Increasing the divide between the have and have not, food shortage, water shortage, land loss, destroying the ways of life for millions, displacing large population....

The US military is concern about nations (and we are talking about China, India as the one most impacted first) destabilizing due to climate change. That seems to me much more likely cause of regional wars throughout the globe that can unite or divide groups and spread.

 

ha, posted in wrong thread

 

Terrorism, the use of violence and intimidation for political aims.

Sounds like exactly what you Israeli goons are doing. Brain washed... LOL. Nobody is more deluded than you Zionists that think you're some bastion of freedom and the last hope for the world.

Your solution is to keep all the land you've stolen. If I stole a bunch of land that would probably be my solution too. Notice how you never discuss your flagrant theft and criminal behavior? Why is that? Stop with the obfuscation and take responsibility for your own crimes.

 

Spare me your bull**** rhetoric. You have systematically cleansed and displaced hundreds of thousands of people from their homes and land. Call them whatever the hell you want, they're real people that you've wronged. You currently enact a state of apartheid on these people, effectively creating an open air prison in Gaza. You have enacted a blockade and have tried to control the number of calories Palestinians need to survive. You're doing everything possible to make these people's lives as miserable as possible.

You want the violence to stop? Get off their damn land. It's really that simple. You do that and Arabs have every reason to stop the extremists within their ranks. You're nothing more than goons and bullies. The only thing you understand is violence. You are part of the might makes right society emboldened by our scumbag leaders in the US. You don't fool anyne. That's why world opinion is firmly against you. What you've done is fundamentally immoral and that's why no matter how many you kill in the name of Israel you have already lost.

BTW if you had stolen land in Texas to create a Jewish state, we would fight you tooth and nail for as long as it took to get that land back. Why you believe it should be any different in any other part of the world, especially one with religious implications, is asinine. You've deluded yourself into thinking you're somehow special, that you're above the law. You're wrong.

 

So many Palestinian chickenhawks on this board.

 

That doesn't even make any sense. There was no Palestinian state. Jews were living there along with Arabs.

 

Yes, and they immigrated en masse and kicked out the Arabs to form a religious state. It makes pretty good sense.

I'm going to put you on ignore now. You can bother someone else with your ignorant drive by quips. Good luck with that.

 

CometsWin has totally lost it. Meltdown mode. Embarrassing.

 

More importantly, the fact that the British - who were in possession of Palestine - referred to it as such is not the most important thing because what colonial powers call you means nothing, especially when their bias later became apparent in granting a larger part of the land to the much smaller population. What matters is that there were people and those people owned their land and to this day hold the deeds and the keys to those lands. They lived there, they worked there, they owned their homes, they had great grandparents and great grandchildren.

You act like someone told the Jews they can take the lands and resources they owned at that particular time and create a state out of it. This is objectively NOT what happened. What happened is a plan which did not displace any Jews, it did not deprive Jews of their property, allowed even non-native Jews (who form the majority of Israel today) with no historical connection to the land a right of "Return", it displaced many Palestinians, and deprived many of their property, and deprived the native Palestinian population of a right to return to their land. That's what happened before any war or holocaust took place. After these things took place, the Palestinians rejected the plan and asked to renegotiate it, which was rejected. Only after all diplomatic options were exhausted did the riots begin (by Jews and Palestinians) and subsequently the war.

Even more important than that - if we are to believe that Hamas is a terrorist organization, then we must believe that the Israeli government is simply a more sophisticated organization of the same type. Objectively and factually, the Israeli government and particularly the IDF was founded by the merging of several groups with the exact same morality, goals, structure, aggression, violence, corruption, and disregard for civilian life as Hamas today.

Don't take my word for it - ask any Israeli to tell you about the "heroes" which forced the creation of Israel, and let them tell you about how prominent the leaders of those organizations have been in Israel since then. The only difference between the Haganah and Hamas is the race of its members and making any distinction between the way in which Jews chose to establish Israel and the way in which Palestinians choose to establish Palestine is that fewer Palestinians are accepting of violence and aggression from their political parties. Of course, if you consider the context - i.e. Jews were being hugely mistreated by Europeans and puppets of European governments - then it's not surprising that so many Jews were coerced into supporting secretive terroristic organizations and resorting to more violence (bombs, assassinations, theft, etc.) in general.

If there is to be an ideal and just solution today, all non-native citizens on both sides should be stripped of their passports (undergo legal immigration procedure), all citizens will be able to live in a single state which respects the rights of all equally, the present Israeli and Palestinian governments should face a trial for war crimes, and a small part of England and/or Germany should be carved out as a nation for European Jews who suffered tremendously under the murderous European governments.

 

I don't....I don't even know where to begin with Mathloon's latest rant. So I'll just start with a simple question: why a small part of England?

 

The Palestinians should follow your example.

Ignore Israel and focus on building a stable, productive society for themselves.

 

You've won't even admit to the crimes you've committed and the land you've stolen. Like it never happened. You want to cry baby your way into white washing the history. Listen to you. The world wants to get rid of the Jews! Shut up. The US gave tens of thousands of lives to free Jews from the Nazis. The US has also taken in tens of thousands of Jews from countries where they were persecuted. What a whiny ass paranoid comment.

WTF does it matter how many predominantly Muslim countries there are? Like this is some kind of religious scoreboard? How sick is that.

 

That a great idea if you totally disregard the 28 foot wall, Israel rationing water, food, building supplies, and everything else going in or out of Gaza. Other than that.......sounds awesome!