So, I'm waiting at home with two butcher knives in my hand...

Yes it was. It was agreeing with him and taking his point even further.


He made a statement about her being a wife thus x and then mae his sarcasm post. I said not only a wife but a mother.




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If you are 95 pounds 4 or 5 drinks might get you drunk.

 

op:

have you checked if there were any charges made on your wifes lost cards?

 

Glad she made it home okay!

I would seriously start by yelling at her friends. There is no way they should have left her hanging alone with some stranger!

 

Who has two butcher knives anyway?

You work for Cutco or something?

 

Not the way it comes off at all.

 

I just read through this thread and it seems like a whole lot of jumping to conclusions here. As Batman Jones pointed out there may be a very benign explanation for the whole situation. I just hope that the OP doesn't do something rash.

 

or any discharges on her clothing?

 

The early promise of this thread really took a plunge.

 

The truth is we don't know that much about it, so I will beg off from the gender roles argument for the time being and just examine the logic.

Don't know enough about the situation, so all of this is hazy speculation with little fact behind it, so we reduce it down to basic logic in hopes of coming up with a simple formula for if the woman behaved ethically and well within the scope of normal human morality (that is to say broad morality, the golden rule, not some religious standard, more of common guidelines basically put in place to prevent humans from infringing pain and suffering upon other humans).


Premise 1: That Woman, who is married and has young children is out drinking
Premise 2: All married woman with young children who go out drinking are behaving irresponsibly.

Conclusion: That Woman is behaving irresponsibly.


Notice that this statement appears valid, the conclusion follows from the premises in standard syllogistic form, and the statements seem true.

But notice Premise 2... doesn't that seem like a hasty generalization? Indeed. "All married women with young children who go out drinking are behaving irresponsibly" is a bit broad. We would need to define terms, and that is where ethics and freedom of choice come into question.

Can a woman with young children not enjoy a night out on the town?

When is there a right time to go out drinking if you are married and have children?

Is it ever ok to enjoy yourself?

Suppose the children were at home in bed and the husband was watching them. Was there any pain and suffering being willingly inflicted upon them by the mother's actions?

Perhaps the woman intended to have drinks and be home at a certain time, and due to certain circumstances beyond her control she was not able to make this happen and by her drinking, she indirectly caused the husband pain and suffering. Now, did she willingly go out and decide to cause this man pain and suffering? I would seriously doubt it. Her motives were likely based on basic personal need for some time away from her hectic life. Perhaps that every once in a while a person may be able to be momentarily selfish and enjoy themselves in the midst of long hard task of raising children.

So what arbitrary guidelines have you suddenly deduced to be a logical truth?

 

So, do we know the whereabouts of the two butcher knives?

 

This talk of logic...How many logical choices to drunk people make?

She may not have gone out with the intention to cause him pain and stress, but she sure didn't try to hard not to.

Like someone said earlier, it's about mutual respect. Her actions showed she didn't care enough about how her husband felt to stay in control.

Is there a right time for drinking? Sure. It happens all the time.

Is there a right time for drinking to excess? Yes! When you are with someone you KNOW will take care of you.

 

You've equivocated on the word logic here. I refer to the process of analyzing an argument, you refer to the common sense of a person under the influence of alcohol.

Without intent to willingly harm another person there doesn't seem to be any morally reprehensible act.

She could have taken steps to ensure things were properly handled but she had no insight into the future that would have made her know she would end up in such a situation, therefore she is a poor planner if anything. Simple human impulsiveness, happens to everyone.

Call a cab next time.

 

How can you logically analyze the actions of a person that can not make logical decisions?

I don't agree. She knew that if she drank too much bad **** can happen. I don't get that argument. So if I shoot my gun in the air for ****s and giggles, and the bullet comes down and hits someone, I did not engage in a morally reprehensible act? I didn't intend to hurt anyone. It all starts somewhere.
I agree. Call a cab. More so, don't drink to excess next time.

 

i'm waiting for the update where you go and beat that guys ass. get to it!

 

As someone who has a daughter about to start high school and a son who just finished his freshman year at college, I appreciate your point. Those who haven't had kids yet may not realize the lengths to which parents have to go in order to get a night out. The two of us have let the other stay home with the kids countless times so at least one of us can relax and enjoy ourselves sans kiddos. The elaborate plans that often have to be made so we can both have a night out (together!) can become rediculous, but necessary. I've had my mother fly in from Houston to Austin to stay with our kids for a long weekend at our anniversary every year for the past several years. That's a lot of trouble and expense to have to go to, but well worth it for 3 or 4 nights in a secluded cabin with a high stucco wall around a big, wonderful hot tub, a huge shower with multiple jets, a big TV with surround sound, a gas fireplace that starts when you push a button, a veranda that looks out over a beautiful High Country vista, while peacocks wander around. Kids aren't even allowed there. We can do anything we like, and we certainly take full advantage.

We have kids, but by god, our entire life doesn't have to involve them. One has to have time alone with the person you loved enough to start a family with sometime, and you need time for yourself, as well. Sure, the OP's wife tied one on and acted the fool, but **** happens. She's safe and the hangover must have been brutal.

Kudos, Moes, for an excellent post.

 

"Honey, I never meant to hurt you" - a phrase most Cheaters utter when they are busted.

Alot of them Mean it. They did not MEAN to hurt them cause they did not MEAN to get caught. They were out to have fun . . not hurt their spouse.
Unfortunately they fun has hurtful consequences.

I'm just saying . . .

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Again, this is mostly pointless to debate about considering we know nothing of the woman's background and her story behind this.

That is just a blatantly false premise. Again, try to understand the difference between what you are defining as logic and what I am. I am not assessing her abilities to make intelligent decisions, I'm weighing the moral consequences of the actions she chose. I am not questioning her logic, I am applying logic to her actions.

Apples in the air, oranges at the picnic. You are seriously considering these two concepts to be relevant to each other?

Again we will examine intent, but I'm sensing some personal relation to this situation from you... not going to try and psycho-analyze you to bits or anything, just trying to point out that perhaps you may not be as objective here given your own personal experiences.

However, If you shoot your gun up in the air, you are willingly engaging in an act that you know to be dangerous and potentially fatal to another human being. For what? A simple cheap thrill? What is your intent behind it? What would it be? To relieve stress and anxiety?

Not to mention you are also breaking the law, which if you have children and a spouse it means they will certainly be suffering the consequences of your actions as you will undoubtedly face criminal punishment.

 

Denial is a different topic. People deny their biological need to **** more than 1 person, but I don't want to get too "out there" on y'all right now. My views tend to be a bit radical to say the least.