OK My problem is simple GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE IN THE MARRIAGE BUSINESS AT ALL!!!1 Marriage is RELIGIOUS . . . IF SSSSOOOO MANY FOLX want to SEPERATE Religion and Government WHY NOT HERE Marriage is a concept that came out of Religion BASICALLY Please let me know .. . what benefit do Gay folx gain from Marriage? able to say . . YO . . WE MARRIED they can do that . .without the paper. . . Rocket River
RR, I'm no expert...but I think there might be things like insurence and crap like that in which married couples can get while unmarried couples can not...
See also: the right to inheirit property without a will and the abilty to see loved ones in hospitals when many times there are hours for family members/spouses only. Those are just two I could think of off the top of my head.
what benefit do Gay folx gain from Marriage? Visitation rights if partner is incapacitated in hospital.
My whole problem with the whole gay marriage issue is that it is nobody's business. As long as Roe v. Wade is on the books the SC has recognized that there exists a right to privacy. It is nobody's business whether or not i am married or single or married to another man. The tragedy about this whole thing is that it is going to pass and the people who vote for it will never have even noticed gays getting married while homosexuals will have to deal with once again being second class citizens. I would just like one of these pro prop 2ers to explain to me how what Steven the gay man from around the corner does effects their lives or their marriage? This is just another case of Republicans imposing their morality on the rest of us. It is sickening.
also- even if there were no benefits to being legally married versus the myriad of other classifications, why treat people differently for any reason? one of these g's flat out said that homosexuality might be a genetic thing, if that is so then how can you be for curtailing the rights of people who have no choice in being what they are? I love God, I love Jesus, but I flipping hate the people who claim to do things in Their name.
the benefits of being marriage just shows a pattern of discrimination against single people Rocket River
Is this the "it's not natural" argument? Not sure. I swear, "I know lots of gay people!" has become the new "I have black friends!"
I know the point you are making, and I feel the same way. Stupid me... I thought they were just people. Keep D&D Civil.
My biggest question regarding Prop 2 is this: Throughout the history of this country, each and every time politicians have tried to legislate morality, they have failed. In fact, sometimes it has led to bigger problems. Prohibition of alcohol in the 1920s enabled organized crime to flourish in this country. Why do politicians continue to try to legislate morality? Aren't there more serious and pressing issues affecting the people???
So, in other words, prohibiting gay marriage will likely lead to the burgeoning of a new gay mafia... drive-by shootings from Miata's, poisoning of rivals through their apple martinis, drag-queens with tommy-guns in lower Westheimer... a dark time indeed... but at least they'll be well dressed and festive! Seriously, I can't believe this crap. The wife and I are going out first thing tomorrow to vote a big "NO"...
Chance, Judging by your use of the word "holy contract", you look at marriage as a religious function. Assuming so, why should our government, which is supposed to be secularist, enforce a position on what constitutes acceptable marriage? I have no problem with chruch members not wanting gay weddings at their churches. But a different chruch, with a different interpretation, why should it not be allowed to practice religion too? Are you supporting a pseudo-theocracy when it come to marriage? It sure seems that you are.
You've missed the point. Imposing morality in this manner always causes a backlash. Why? Does your marriage need "defending?" Is your marriage lessened by homosexuals you don't know and never will know being married? How about the married gay couples in Vermont? When they got married, could you feel your own marriage getting cheaper? Or the gays being legally married in Canada? Or Spain?
Aren't all Americans afforded equal protection under the law in the Constitution? How can it be legal to exclude anyone from the advantages afforded by marrige? Either we all can or we all can't. Why should my Social Security benefits be extended to my wife but The White Sox's Fan's benefits not be extended to his significant other? Personally I would remove any reference to marrige from the law and allow any two or more people to enter into a contract to allow any arrangement they seem fit. No benefits, no right not to testify, no alimony no nothing. This just can't be constitutionally allowable, can it?
