And what an utterly r****ded comeback. Last time I checked, exposing yourself to minors and letting underage kids fire weapons was illegal, while two guys kissing each other isn't. Slaughterhouses and beheadings don't take place in the middle of the street, while kisses do. Seeing people kiss is an everyday situation, much like seeing people eat lunch at a restaurant or seeing people ride a bus, and I don't see how masturbation or slaughtering animals compares. Or maybe you just live on a snuff film set. A kid seeing two guys kiss doesn't negatively affect your kids any more so than seeing a man and a woman kiss each other, and I challenge you to post proof that says otherwise. Why is seeing people kiss each other a situation that would scar your kid? If explaining a kiss is an agonizing moment for you, I'd hate to see you explain to your child what a **** is after they see one while pissing at the stadium.
Well, what would you tell your 5-yr-old daughter when she looks up at you and asks, "Where's Aiden's mommy? Why does he have two daddy's?" Try to imagine that situation.
Please show me this reality where your kids see animals being slaughtered and heads being chopped off while walking down the street! Because to be honest, it sort of turns me on.
And how will your job be different if they are allowed to be married or not? Do you think homosexuality should be illegal? If not, then I don't see how this is relevant.
I'm glad you were honest enough to come out and say it. However, the Constitution ensures that minority rights are not infringed upon by dangerous majority factions. The Federalist papers go into detail on this.
Agreed. The act of homosexuality itself isn't what's being banned, it's the marriage. So it's not like they are even preventing them from doing the thing they so openly abhor. What's even the point then?
This has been my point all along. Kids will see various "distasteful" or ugly things in their lives. They'll be exposed to alcohol or drugs sometime in school. They'll be exposed to seeing kids making out at school or ****ing each other parties. They'll be exposed to people beating each other up. It's your job as a parent, just like it's been for every single parent in the world, to explain these things to your child and make sure they understand the difference between right and wrong. Now, the difference is that two guys kissing isn't damaging to any party. Drug use is damaging. Fighting is damaging. Unprotected sex can be damaging.
At some point in time, my kid's going to learn about murder And sexuality And profanity And intoxication And smoking and a million other things that a little girl simply has no concept of. And as her parent, it's my responsibility that she learns about those things in the right way, at the right time. And who should determine the right way and time for my daughter to learn? Her parents. Me. My wife. Let me teach my kids about smoking - don't stick a cigarette in her face. Let me teach my kids about murder - don't kill somebody right in front of her. And Let me teach my kid about homosexuality - don't flaunt it in her face.
You're coming around back to the original discussion of gay marriage, and my comments aren't directly arguing for or against gay marriage. I was intervening on the "done publicly" tangent that Chance mentioned.
Why is homosexuality lumped in with murder or smoking? Homosexuality doesn't maim or kill people. Homosexuality doesn't cause lung cancer. Homosexuality doesn't blow your brains out, or maybe it does (ooh, I'm nasty). Smoking and murder have negative reprecussions; kissing doesn't. I don't see why making a big deal out if it is so important.
They're lumped together because they're all very adult-oriented issues that young children are clueless about.
Then let's be consistent and be against all public displays of affection, because a man kissing a woman is no less of an adult-oriented issue than a man kissing a man.
There's lots of kids and family-oriented TV. And we go to lots of public places. But we watch our kid like a hawk and teach her things when she's emotionally ready for them.
So are you for banning kissing, provocative clothing, some of the raunchier stuff on TV, etc? If not, why this one issue and not the others? What makes them different?
You're close - I certainly don't envy the idea of my kid seeing a man and woman getting hot 'n heavy, either. But even if it's just simple kissing... My kid's used to seen a man and woman kiss. Mommy and Daddy kiss every day. For her to see two men kiss is unusual. That will prompt her to ask questions, forcing me into the situation of explaining - an explanation that will inevitable lead to a disussion about the intimacy that occurs behind the kiss of two lovers. And she's not old enough yet.
I can see where that would be awkward at first, but what can you do besides just telling your kiddo's the truth in a way that's not overwhelming?
Drox - I admire that you're being so upfront about this. I understand where you're coming from from a moral standpoint, even though I disagree. However, to me, it all comes back to the law and the Constitution. We simply cannot allow the integrity of the law to be sacrificed. It is the fabric of this nation. If you allow the government to infringe upon these matters, you are basically opening Pandora's Box. Where is the line then drawn if the government is given the right to distinguish between moral and immoral?
