Sorry. I don't remember you asking. To me marriage is a contract between a man, woman, and God. that's putting it plainly. But the ramifications of this union go beyond the spiritual and personal. *As individuals* it is none of my business what gay people do privately. It becomes my business when their lifestyle is done publicly. The more prominent it becomes, the more it is perceived as acceptable. And at a societal level I am not "okay" with it.
Real cute George Carlin. rhester never said that parts of it "don't count". It all counts. When Christ came a new deal was made between God and people. We no longer had to do a bunch of crap to receive heaven.
But on a personal level plenty of people don't believe drinking is acceptable. But society says it is. They have children and want to teach those children that drinking is bad, and yet society has made it legal. Does allowing drinking in society really damage what they teach or believe at home? Should we outlaw alcahol? The argument you make comes back to the old, "I'm not comfortable with it, so it should against the law argument". Because homosexuality makes people uncomfortable is no reason to re-write the constitution.
I certainly respect your opinion but here is my question. Why is it society's obligation to determine this type of moral behavior. You clearly indicated that God is intrinsically involved so why not allow God to "punish" them for their supposed sins rather than having society do it. As long as they aren't affecting you there's no reason why we should prohibit their ability to get state sponsored benefits via marriage. The state's responsibility is only to prohibit behavior that infringes on another's rights, not to enforce this type of morality. Let God take care of that.
Disagree. I feel that the government definitely should play a limited role in enforcing morality but only to the extent that the rights, particularly Constitutional rights and in this case 4th amendment rights, of others aren't infringed. I do feel that Chance's statement on the public prominence of the gay lifestyle presents a slippery slope. What happens when Christians feel that gays kissing in public is immoral and suddenly their business? Are we going to have a referendum on banning gay kissing? Bahaha...
A quote from Donald Miller in <I>Searching for God Knows What</I>, a Christian writer that I think brings up a unique perspective on this whole debate from a religion perspective: I was thinking of Paul recently when I saw an evangelical leader on CNN talking about gay marriage. The evangelical leader agreed with the apostle Pail about about homosexuality being a sin when it came time to express the kind of love Paul expressed for the lost, the kind of love that says, "I would gladly take God's wrath upon myself and go to hell for your sake," the evangelical leader sat in silence. Why? How can we say the rules Paul presented are true, but neglect the heart with which he communicated those rules? My suspicion is the evangelical leader was able to do this because he had taken on the morality of God as an identity with which he was attempting to redeem himself to culture, and perhaps even to God. This is what the Pharisees did, and the same Satan tricks us with the same bait: justification through comparison. It's an ugly trick, but it continues to prove effective. and this, on a radio show, in response to a question about homosexuals trying to "take over the country" with their agenda... "I've never met met those guys and I don't know who they are. The only homosexuals I've met are very kind people, some of whom have been beat up and spit on and harasses and, in fact, feel threatened by the religious right." Think about it. If you watch CNN all day and see extreme Muslims in the middle East declaring war on America because they see us as immoral, and then you read the paper the next day to find the exact same words spoken by evangelical leaders against the culture here in America, you'd be pretty schared. I've never heard of a homosexual group trying to take over the world, or for that matter the House or the Senate, but I can point you to about fifty evangelical organizations who are trying to do exactly that. I don't know why. In my opinion, we should tell people about Jesus, not try to build some kind of temporary moral civilization here on earth. If you want that, move to Salt Lake City." I think it's an interesting perspective. From everything I know, the point of Christianity is to create a bond between an individual and God that creates a natural morality. It's not to force a certain morality on others, but to build a relationship on an individual level.
FIXED POST Then why do you feel the need to bring Caesar into the equation with Prop 2? Why is it your business "when their lifestyle is done publicly"? Two guys making out on the street doesn't affect me in the slightest, nor does it affect anybody around them. Their tongues are not in your throat.
Allow me to interrupt: Because then I get to explain crap like that to my 5-year-old daughter when she sees it.
The funny thing about this whole kerfuffle is all the media attention is just bringing the gay lifestyle ever more out of the closet and into the public eye. The war to reduce the prominence of homosexuals has done the exact opposite ~ strange how it always works out that way.
So? Reality isn't pretty. I think fat chicks that wear tight jeans are disgusting, but that doesn't mean I want tight pants banned.
So do you think that atheists can get married? What about people who get a JP to marry them with no mention of God? Are they married? Also, when you say contract do you mean a financial contract between the parents?
Well, we all know how many kids you don't have. EDIT: Really, that statement shows how little thought you're giving to it. I suppose that when your son is 4, you'll whip your d!ck out and teach him what masturbation is, eh? Then, in a few days, you can take him down to the range and show him how to fire a handgun. Later, after you've toured the slaughterhouse and shown him how meat is processed, you'll rent Faces of Death so that he can see what beheadings are like firsthand. I mean, why not? As you said, reality isn't pretty. Sheesh.... what a truly thoughtless comment.
Nice dodge! I saw guys making out when I was in middle school (not at middle school, but when I went to South Beach a few times). For some reason, I wasn't exactly traumatized by it. Life isn't pretty and your kids will see some things that you find disgusting, but it won't scar them if you're a good parent. Hell, it might make them more tolerant and accepting of gays, like when I started having gay friends in college.
Yes, droxford it's a daily agony for you to explain away the rampant homosexuality oozing from every street corner to your kids.
You're ******* right it is. I have lesbians living right next door to me and a gay male couple living across the street with an adopted son. You're damn right I have to deal with the explanations.
I like how not even a single person has yet to answer the question "what right do you or Christians have to use the law to infringe upon the rights of others just because you view something immoral?" it's basically the same pussyfooting being regurgitated. I understand you guys think marriage should only be between a man and a woman or that the Bible deems it immoral. That is fine and well. Now answer the question.
You already know the answer. I guess you just want someone to come out and post it. I won't pussyfoot around it. I'll explain straight up. The truth is - most people just don't like it. And you know that's the truth. It's not fair. It's not equal. But 76% of the voters around here don't like it, so they're gonna vote against it. It's as simple as that. What right do they have? Only the right to vote. That's it. It's not just a Christian thing. Or a political thing. Or a racist thing. It's a majority thing.
