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So Amare or Yao?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hotballa, Mar 16, 2006.

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Who is Better?

  1. Amare

    55 vote(s)
    10.4%
  2. Yao

    473 vote(s)
    89.6%
  1. choujie

    choujie Member

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    Seems like you used different standards on Amare and Yao, that's why you are disappointed with Yao and so satisfied with Amare.

    Do you realize that Amare played 4 minutes more than Yao and the Suns have at least 10 percent more possesions than Rockets?

    In fact, a good rebounder is always a good rebounder, no matter who he plays with. Check the numbers: when Shaq had Malone as PF instead of
    Mark Madsen, his reobunds per minute went up instead of went down. When Yao had Cato, the best rebounder Yao ever had as a PF, he averaged more rebounds than his previous and next year. Shawn Marion's rebounds per minute hasn't gone up without Amare this year compare to with Amare last year.
     
  2. wnes

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    You are getting ridiculous by the minute. Just because Yao got 18 rebounds and 5 blocks on some nights doesn't mean he can and should do it every night. By your logic, you could also say TMac is an underachiever or lacks heart if he fails to score 13 points in 30 seconds for x number of times in a season simply because he has done it before. No, the extrapolation doesn't work that way. Every opponent team is different, the offensive/defensive scheme involving Yao varies from game to game. I think you would agree Yao Ming's role on this team is not just a rebounding machine or a defense specialist like Dennis Rodman or Ben Wallace, he is expected to carry a large share of offense for the team. Yes we all agree Yao Ming hasn't yet reached his full potential in nearly every statistical category, but the way he has been playing lately he is hardly an underachiever.

    I find you have a peculiar way of evaluating Yao. Suppose you can foresee Yao's production curve over his entire career (which should look like a typical bell shape), do you continually call him an underachiever at any time before the point of his maximum output? Does the process of maturation mean anything to you? If not, then tell us, do you apply the same criterion -- as long as a player doesn't produce to satisfaction of your imaginary expectation he is an underachiever -- to other players as well?
     
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  3. KingCheetah

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    Hindsight is 20/20 but how could you possibly take Amare over Yao with his microfractured knee?
     
  4. Gatorfan76

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    Exactly--that knee is being cushioned by scar tissue from the microfracture surgery and not cartilage. Amare's already struggling with his other knee because he's had to overcompensate for his injured knee. Its highly likely his career will not be as long as Yao's simply because his knees will not hold up.
     
  5. Pass 1st shoot 2nd

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    Wnes,

    Your powerful logic has swayed me. :rolleyes:

    -P1st, S2nd
     
  6. chenglug

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    Yao actually made the effort, He actually left the ground. But his lacking of leaping ability made you think he didn't. Hate it or not, we have to stand it.
    But if Yao learns how to box out opponents better, he can be a decent rebounder.
     
  7. zhao1109

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    My concern to YAO is: He still needs read and deal with double team better. TD/SHAQ are still doing better jo b than YAO, although YAO getting good numbers now.

    YOu have to double all three of players, but double YAO is very good way to stop him. Like DAL game, YAO made several bad shots when he facing double team and made several lucky basket. Of course, YAO needs better shooter around him also.


    YAO is very good team defender, but will not be a very good 1-to-1 defender.

    Amare did improve his personel D in the last season. with his speed, he has the ability to cover large area of the paint, like Camby. YAO is just slow and overall, he can only defend the place that close to the hoop
     
  8. stro4swift

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    and why is that?
     
  9. lost_elephant

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    Yao is a better one on one defender than he is a team defender. He is weaker on pick and roll defense. His man doesn't beat him. Look at his PER numbers compared with his opponents.

    http://82games.com/random15.htm

    He is one of the best in the league.

    Look at Stoudemire's Opponent production last year. http://82games.com/04PHO14C.HTM

    Look at Yao this year.

    http://www.82games.com/0506/05HOU20C.HTM

    Stoudemire allowed opp. PER of 14.6 at the PF postion and 18.0 at the center position.

    Look at Yao, He only allows 10.6 PER production from his counterpart.

    That is a huge discrepancy between the two. The fact of the matter is that Yao is a MUCH better 1 on 1 defender.
     
  10. RocketForever

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    This must be the worse analysis of players' games I have read in a while.

    Yeah when he missed they were bad shots and when he made them they were lucky shots.
     
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  11. chenglug

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    Not only this. He said Yao was a worse one-on-one defender. As long as Yao was in the paint, he was a huge intimidation for any player. He was no doubt a very good one-on-one defender in the paint. The best way to attack Yao is to get him away from the paint. In the game against spurs, Finley and Ginobulli dunked on Yao in the last several minutes, but it was not because Yao was weak in defense. It's because Yao went out to help his teamates. He can't get back to his area quickly due to lacking of speed. Actually except Shaq, I think any center in this league can only try to beat Yao now by shooting from outside(and they are doing this).
     
  12. KeepKenny

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    Who cares what physical capabilities someone has if they are unwilling to use them? If Amare improved his D last year, it must have been absolutely nonexistant the year before because he made about a total of one good defensive plays last year.

    Add to the equation the possibility that this injury could cause him to lose some of his speed and jumping ability, and you have a guy with questionable physical abilities with no desire to try on defense.
     
  13. arkoe

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    Welcome to Board Bias 101. Amare would never break even, much less win on this board. That said, I voted for Yao. :)
     
  14. RocketForever

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    Are you talking about the play that has been shown 1255456 times on ESPN? :)
     
  15. zhao1109

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    no , I didnt say that, one example that you can find from NBA highlight: he attempt a bad shot when he was on the right side of the hoop.
     
  16. zhao1109

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    the most effect way to beat YAO is PnR. YAO did his best.

    1-to-1 defender doesnt mean opp.PER ONLY. Coaches always try to create mismatch and YAO is a very good target.
     
  17. zong

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    From the day 1 in Yao's NBA area, I told the people that Yao was better than Amare, even during the time Amare played his best ball. As for 1 to 1 defence, Yao is very good if not the best for a big man. Duncan can not score on Yao, so does Amare.
     
  18. ShadyMcGrady

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    Of course if you miss it's a bad shot. You didn't make it did you? No one ever compliments a miss. :p
     

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