Agreed with everything in your great post, but I have to be honest, I'm still not convinced about the Page solo. Listening to the live stuff he did with the Yardbirds after they let him play guitar, I just can't picture it. You can tell he played the solos on the Donovan songs just because of the sustain and bent notes, but I'm still dubious about the Kinks' connection. Or, "konnection."
I think she was singing over her own voice so it would sound better (more powerful etc.) ~ then at the end of the song when the canned voice ends she can thank the crowd over the live mike and no one suspects a thing.
Nah...like BJ said...she lost her voice. There was no way her microphone was turned up during her first song "Pieces of Me". I'm not buying it. She cannot sing that song right if her life depended on it. Also, I have read that if you listen to the first few seconds of that song, you can hear an overlap between her voice and the recorded voice at which point they turn down her microphone in favor of the recorded vocals playback. Then, they just turn her microphone back up at the end so she can thank the crowd or whatever.
And, if you listen to her excuse at the end of the show, her voice sounds pretty raspy. Gotdammit, I can't believe I've posted three times on this topic.
Well I just can't get enough of this. I can't stand her personally, it makes me sick when I see people like her getting publicity because of someone else, in this case her sister. Knowing how good her sister was, she should have never tried to get into this because people will always be bashing her because of her sister. I can't stand her singing, or her looks. The sooner she is off the stage the better (we could only be so lucky). Hearing about this has made my day, and hopefully it's ruined hers! Pugs
Well Kelly, you are a filthy dirty w****. The use of taped vocals being played along with live vocals is legit. Some artists will record a vocal track for an album, then lay down a second cut on top of it to add fullness. I know Donald Fagen does this on his solo stuff sometimes. That said, that is for an album, not live, and he is actually doing all of the singing.
Did a little research and there is some dispute over who played the solo. However, my understanding is that Page (if it is indeed him) was imitating Dave Davies. So that solo would naturally not sound like his usual stuff (or other sessions, where he had more creative freedom). Regardless, the Kinks legacy really isn't in jeopardy no matter who played the solo. I've also heard that KISS didn't play on their early records (this comes from Bob Babbitt, a Motown and session bassist from the early 70s - he played on "Midnight Train to Georgia"). In a way, ghosting was better because there was still real instrumental competence on the recordings. Nowadays, the producer really is the "musician" for these pop tarts.
The Fagen stuff isn't limited to the solo stuff. "Do It Again," SD's first single, had a full track filled with Don's vocal, and another track with another Fagen vocal at quarter-volume. And that's track one/side one/album one from 32 years ago. My favorite Fagen solo album is 'Kamakiriad', and most Dan nerds I know hate that album because the vox aren't as layered as on "The Nightfly." Again, I never gave Ms. Simpson guff because of the taped vocals as a (semi) backing to her live vocal. More power to her for trying to fill the sound out. My only beef is her passing the blame onto her sell-out, poorly-outfitted, poorly-coiffed "band." Beyond that, how can a sister of Jessica Simpson have that bad a voice? Jessica isn't soulful at all, and she chooses horrible songs to sing, but she has pipes. But if you met Gerald Wallace or Chris Andersen's little brother, wouldn't you expect him to have hops?
Davies is a so-so soloist, if that, but I've been hearing the Page stuff for half my life and I still am not picturing it. When you hear John Paul Jones on the sessions he played on, you can tell -- he retains the same touch in spite of the material. Now, I'm not claiming to be able to be able to recognize the player by ear, but knowing what we know ... We know that KISS didn't play on a lot of their late 70s stuff, but for that cat to want to own up to playing on their early records is sad. Those first few albums are horrible; cut-rate Humble Pie ripoffs (and I'm a HUGE Humble Pie/Marriott fan).
If she was going to sound anything like she did on the last award show, I`m glad she was going to lip synch........the girl cannot sing. I hope her 15 minutes is about up
Max: Yes, we're sure it was to be lip synched. She'd lost her voice. She lip synched in the dress rehearsal (for an audience too), but the tracks were right that time. She was hoping to have her voice back in time for the taping, but she didn't. My friend was on site. It wasn't a help track or whatever. It was the whole vocal. And it was the drummer that pressed the buttons.
As soon as the song starts, everyone looks right at the drummer. After a few bars, you can see the drummer look down and to the right.....down and to the right....down and to the right...as if he is saying "uh-oh". I heard her sing on some late night talk show one time and she was so out of tune, I couldn't even tell if she was in the right key or not. I mean, it was HORRIBLE. I'm not just saying that. It hurt my ear-drums. I don't think she can carry a tune in a bucket. She is a product of Pro Tools.
I know...I was deferring to your friend since he was on-site. I believe you and your friend. No convincing needed here. I also know that, deep down, her bandmates are sick of having a singer who can't ever seem to get it together vocally. This problem with her vocal chords is not some far and in between problem. I just don't think she's cut out for it. She's good enough to cut a studio album and having her voice manipulated to sound good via technology but, when it comes to touring to support the album, she is obviously in serious trouble reproducing those vocals. I think she and her band should cease and desist. I will definitely check out her appearance this week on The Tonight Show to see how she does there. I bet she won't try to lip synch there and I bet she won't sound good, either. Maybe they could replace her with Geddy Lee since he doesn't Lip Synch. I'm sure he can learn the hoe-down before her next appearance. Actually, Geddy Lee did lip synch on the last two tours for one very small section(like 15 seconds) of a song during the song "Earthshine" but it's well known he is faking it as he's not really trying to look like he isn't lip synching and smiling during that section. Also, the guitarist, Alex Lifeson, does a lot of lip synching as a running joke which everyone knows about as he doesn't really sing and they have his microphone turned down. However, the time at SarsFest when Rush played, they didn't have his microphone turned down and he sang equal to Geddy's voice. He actually sounded pretty damn good, too.
[think louisiana accent] back, and to the left.... back, and to the left.... back, and to the left.... [/think louisiana accent]
I remember seeing Mighty Mighty Bosstones on SNL and the singers voice was out. They played anyway, and he sounded like crap, but at least it was real and they put out an effort. He pointed to his throat and gave a "sorry, what can I do" face.
Well, apparently at least one of them is sick of earning a living by playing ridiculously simplistic pop tunes on national tv. BTW, Rush rocks.
No, I'm in Pittsburgh. My girlfriend's in NY though. I might be there then. Doubt I'd go to the show. My SNL friend gets a limited number of passes for the year and I'm not a big U2 fan. If you are though, pick up Bob Dylan's Chronicles to read a good story of Dylan and Bono up all night drinking Guinness. Bono suggested Daniel Lanois to produce Dylan's Oh Mercy and he wound up using him for Time Out of Mind as well. I wasn't defending Ashlee, by the way. Just passing on the scoop. I think it's funny that she said lip synching just wasn't her and then did it, but I couldn't care less about any of this. I don't listen to the radio (apart from college radio on occasion) and I didn't even know who she was before you guys started talking about her here.
