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[SNL] Ashley Simpson....

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Summer Song Giver, Oct 23, 2004.

  1. Isabel

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    Blame it on the
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  2. droxford

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    She's also supposed to be musical guest on the Tonight Show this Thursday.

    Maybe by then they will have the correct vocal track ready and she'll have hired a choreographer to teach her a few decent dance moves.

    -- droxford
     
  3. UTweezer

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    The Gods of rock n' roll have sent us all a gift!

    This is some funny *hit!
     
  4. Batman Jones

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    You were right the first time. I have a friend at SNL. The story as I heard it is that she'd lost her voice, which apparently happens to her a lot because she doesn't sing properly and regularly strains her vocal chords. She's seen vocal therapists but it hasn't taken. She saw Lorne Michaels' doctor who wanted to give her a shot of something so she'd be able to sing but her management nixed it so she decided to lip synch. My friend said the drummer controlled the vocal track and he started the first song again when he should have started the second. I think it was pretty lame of her to blame the band, but it was technically the drummer's fault she got busted.
     
  5. UTweezer

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    quoting Isabel,

    "Blame it on the"
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  6. hooroo

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    All acts on 'Top of the Pops' are lip-synced. It's actually quite common on tv shows to lip-sync.
     
  7. UTweezer

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    I thought Geddy Lee could sing?
     
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  9. Oski2005

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    Not "all" acts. . . .http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/artists/u/u2/clips/vertigo_live.shtml


    I can buy what Batman says. Surfguy, you were going to win a prize for being pretty much on the money, but then you changed your answer.

    Ashlee should have just told the truth or a half truth: "Guys, I was having trouble with my vocal chords so I needed some help tonight, but we started the wrong song, sorry." I guess according to that quote somebody dug up, she doesn't want to own up to lip syncing, but she must think America is r****ded if she thought we wouldn't know what happened.
     
  10. RocketMan Tex

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    There should be a law where concert promoters have to disclose to ticket buyers whether portions of the show are going to be lip-synched prior to the purchase of the ticket.

    Unfortunately, there never will be, because drunken blues musicians like me don't get elected to Congress.
     
  11. MadMax

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    are we sure this was to be lip-synched?? the articles i read indicate it was a track that would be heard only by her, to help her sing the song...like her singing along with the recording that only she can hear. i think that's pretty common, right??
     
  12. Oski2005

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    I wonder how that would work? I would think that if you were hearing a recording of your voice coming through your monitor, you wouldn't be able to tell how good or bad you were actually doing.

    I remember seeing something about the Super-Bowl, after Shania Twain performed where they, for any act in a huge stadium, play a vocal track just in case. If the singer has a problem with their mic or they do some dancing or something where they can't sing as well, the engineer just turns the volume up on the vocal track and fills in the gap.
     
  13. mulletman

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    theres still a difference between her and milli vanilli, isnt there? milli vanilli lip synched to songs that they never recorded. it was always someone else's voice. in ashley simpson's case, shes lip synching to her own pre-recorded voice, right?

    either way, her music sucks. if it wasnt for her show on mtv, would anyone actually buy her records?:confused:
     
  14. Ace

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    Yeah, that's right. Milli Vanilli never sang on their records. They had guys that didn't fit the right image doing the vocals behind the scenes. So I think it's a bit harsh as Ashlee was doing this with her own voice and only because she had lost her as someone psoted here earlier (maybe not only because but it's still a valid reason). I do think that the audience has a right to know but let's not go too far! I do think she sucks, though. :D
     
  15. RocketMan Tex

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    Only if you....

    SUCK!!!!!
     
  16. Surfguy

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    I just wasn't sure if it was the drummer who kicked off the mess or a sound guy. The reason I changed my answer is because I was reading another forum over at MTV and some guy said the same thing I said. But, everyone claimed he was wrong and said the drummer didn't cause it but some sound guy backstage or sidestage kicked off the wrong track. I was just thinking the dummer had to go along at that point.

    To be honest, it would take someone on site to be able to confirm what really happened. I was just looking at the internet video which was grainy and low quality. I am familiar with drummers being able to trigger stuff as Neil Peart of Rush does that during his drum solo. As far as the Geddy Lee comment, that was pretty funny as they do share the same nose.
     
  17. Nuggets4

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    You have my vote.
     
  18. ima_drummer2k

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    Did you see the first song she "sang"? She clearly lip synced that one. I love it when these "artists" are moving all around the stage, bobbing their head around etc. yet oddly enough, the vocal track is PERFECT. That's always a clear sign that the vocals are FAKE.

    I don't buy all this "vocal track to help" nonsense. Sing the song! If you need "help" hire some backup singers! I still can't believe lip syncing is so accepted in the industry these days, even after the Milli Vanilli saga. You can rationalize it and call it by whatever politically correct name you want. It's still a fraud.
     
  19. subtomic

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    Well, it's kinda her own voice. Back in Milli Vanilli's day, they didn't have the technology to fix poor musicianship. So they had "ghosts" sing and/or play for the real artist (for example, it is well known that Jimmy Page played the guitar solo on the Kinks' "You Really Got Me"). Nowadays, however, we have AutoTune and quantizing on ProTools (for the non-musicians, ProTools is a recording program used for just about every major recording today) which allows the following.

    1) Easy cutting and pasting of tracks - If the artist can sing the chorus mostly right just once, they copy that section and use it in every chorus.

    2) AutoTune - Bad notes can be fixed

    3) Quantizing - Essentially, the music is synched up to a Midi clock and any notes/beats/etc. that are slightly off are lined up to that clock.

    So yeah, its Ashley's voice, but it's her voice the way a piano sample is a real piano. Even though it sounds the same, the real performance is created by a computer and a producer.
     
  20. Isabel

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    Sad to say, that seems to be how it works with most "music" these days. Created in the studio from mediocre vocals that come from someone who looks good and is considered "marketable". Of course, there's pretty much none of their original "musicianship" left by the time you mess with it, but that's the point.

    And, unless you go to your local club or coffeehouse, you have no idea if what you're seeing is really live. Consider the backup tracks they use at "concerts". All the excuses... "it was just a backup" "to help her sing" "if something went wrong" "to go behind her real vocals". :rolleyes: The concerts that involve dancing and all that, yet the vocals don't sound one bit different from those on your CD. Of course, there are talented entertainers somewhere in this country who can sing and dance - at the same time even - but those aren't the ones hand-picked by the marketing machine.

    I don't care, it's not right. There should be a statement acknowledging the use of any prerecorded "help" when it comes to live shows and concerts. I like the idea above about letting people know before they buy their tickets. Oh well. Support your local musicians. They don't have all that "help" and still are likely to do a better job.
     

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