You said it. You thought your smoke filled house smelled the same as all the other non-smoke filled houses. Given the improbability of that actually being true, I find it only logical to conclude that you have trouble differentiating smells, or to be more specific, identifying and differentiating the smell of cigarettes.
I'll repost my quote. You need to leave this guy alone, read the post I linked below instead of making him post it all over again. Pugs
Thanks, Pugs, but I can handle it. JayZ, so you're saying as a non-smoking child I couldn't differentiate a non-smoker's home from a smokers one because the second hand smoke in my house dulled my senses. Right. Now who's not making sense.
Fatty -- actually, that's true. the more you're around any smell, the less sensitive you are to it. every home has its own "smell." you're less likely to smell it in your own home than you are in others. but if you're seriously saying you can't distinguish the smell of a smoker's home from a non-smoker's home, then you're making his point for him.
oh good lord.....here we go again... Fatty...brutha...do yourself a favor and leave your past words as your testament for this one....you know how this goes...every time. btw....re: medical costs I have smoked since I was 15....that is 25 years for the math-deficient... and I have NEVER cost the taxpayers a single solitary cent becase of it. NEVER. when I do go to the doctor(for reasons unrelated to smoking)...it dont cost yall a damn thing...I pay every last cent out of MY pockets. so enough with that crap. is it a nasty habit...hell yes. would I drop it in a NY second if I could.....hell yes have I tried a million times.....yes IF you have never experienced the addiction...you are in absolutley no position to judge someone who has been/ is addicted. We dont do it to piss you off...or from some warped sense of not caring about others...we do it cause we have to...the monkey on our backs is a ape...and is not easy to dislodge. FYI....Even when I go to resteraunts with smoking sections...I dont...I try to smoke outside when I smoke around others...I dont blow my smoke towards others when in clubs(where there is already lots of ppl smoking, so mine makes no difference) in short(too late)....I try to be considerate of non-smokers....so the venom some of you shoot our way is frankly baffling.....Im sure there are plenty of ppl that arent as considerat...but that still doesnt give you the right to lump all of us into your hatred.
R2K; I've tried to stay out of this. Really, I have. Your points make sense. I'll leave it at that and shut up and go have a shtog.
My experience: the first twelve years of my life I grew up in a smoking household. I was, and continue to be, very sensitive to smoke. I just experienced nonstop allergies for years. I thought I just had a lot of colds. I literally couldn't breathe out of my nose. I was stuffed up constantly, and people at school made fun of me and the way I talked. The allergy doctor gave me a bunch of tests and said that I was allergic to three things, which included tobacco smoke; I got shots for the other two things, but I think the main thing that helped was when my father finally quit smoking. All of a sudden, I could breathe like everybody else and sound like everybody else. I never used to be very sensitive to smell... all of a sudden I developed a very sensitive nose. (also, my grades went up and I could think more clearly, though there may be multiple factors on that one) I continue to be very sensitive to smoke. One whiff of it can give me a headache. I think I just wasn't biologically programmed to deal with smoke very well, even though I had to for a while. Don't smoke around your kids. Thanks.
"It is no easy task to praise cigarettes at this time in America. We are in the midst of one of those periodic moments of repression when the culture, descended from the Puritans, imposes its hysterical visions and enforces its guilty constraints on society, legislating moral judgments under the guise of public health, all the while enlarging the power of surveillance and the reach of censorship to achieve a general restriction of freedom. We may speak of censorship with respect to smoking because smoking cigarettes is not only a physical act but a discursive one--a wordless yet eloquent form of expression. It is a fully coded, rhetorically complex, articulated discourse with a vast repertoire of well-understood conventions that are implicated in the whole literary, philosophical, and cultural history of smoking. In the present climate, the discursive performance of smoking has become a form of obscenity (just as obscenity has become an issue of public health). Of course, censors always claim that they work on behalf of the moral and physical well-being of the body politic, which they wish to protect from the harm that is supposed to follow from the proscribed symbolic behavior. Since smoking is wordless, it is a form of expression especially vulnerable to suppression by censors who hesitate before banning speech. Like the Gypsy dances that were banned at French carnivals, smoking cigarettes has become an act that arouses irrational fears and excessively repressive impulses."
Thank you for being a considerate smoker. I have known other considerate smokers, and their (and your) efforts toward consideration for others are greatly appreciated. I'll tell you where the venom comes from. Primarily, it stems from the inconsiderate smokers. - The inconsiderate smokers blow their smoke at the non-smoking section, caring nothing about the others in the room. Or even worse, the smokers who do it intentionally, childishly wishing to annoy others. - The inconsiderate smokers who take a big drag, walk indoors to the non-smoking areas, and then blow out the crap. - The inconsiderate smokers who flick their cigarettes out the windows of their cars, caring nothing about the litter they generate. - The inconsiderate smokers who walk into non-smoking places with a lit cigarette palmed in their hand, thinking that nobody will notice that they're smoking. But in addition to the inconsiderate smokers, the venom comes from non-smokers who have little choice but to tolerate the smell: - the non-smokers who have to work closely with the smokers who have disgusting cigarette-coffee breath (lethal). - the non-smokers who can't enjoy a smoke-free bowling game, when the parents and children come home smelling like a dirty ash tray. - the non-smokers who want to enjoy a nice game of pool at a pool hall withough having to tolerate the stink and reeking of it when they go home. If we non-smokers didn't have to tolerate the smell or the litter, we probably wouldn't care very much if others want to kill themselves with a product. I think it's the stink and the litter that we hate most. And, let's face it, the vast majority of smokers are the inconsiderate type. -- droxford
Drox: I give up. People that b**** like you are half the reason I don't want to quit. Notice your incessant whining. Learn how to let a sleeping dog lie. And learn how to put "droxford" in your sig so you don't have to monotonously place it there.
You missed his whole point. If there was no such thing as harmful second hand smoke, this wouldn't be a issue. You smokers just don't get it.
Well it's wet, It's all broken and wet, But I take what I get, I got a crooked cigarette. Well she left, She left me with a hell of a debt, But no sweat, I got a crooked cigarette. When it's busted by the filter there's a trick that I found, You break it on apart then you turn it around, You slide it in easy and you twist it in tight, Hey buddy got a light? Well I'm full, Full of that malt liquor bull, But I'm set, I got a crooked cigarette.
I have been subjected to second hand smoke for years, and I just wondered what it would be like to smoke for a few months. We all have annoying habits that we could eliminate in public places, I would hate to be in a room with droxford while he was making a point and saying "droxford" at the end as if he's Denny Crane. However it's my choice to stick around and listen or leave. I'm not a smoker, I've smoked a pack in 3 weeks but I do side with the smokers here because some people are unfairly hard on them in hopes of making themselves feel better about their own foibles. Nobody is perfect.
Almost all my friends are smokers, i own a bar and have been going to bars all my teenage and adult life where smoke is every where. I don't personally smoke and i don't intend on doing it any time soon or ever for that matter. I probably have enough second hand smoke to make up for me never smoking and i know that's bad enough. All my friends are always very curtious towards me or anyone that doesn't smoke. They don't smoke at dinner they dont' sit there and blow anything in your face, or anything like that. Yes there might be some very uncurtious smokers in this world but to be honest with you i think they are really the minority when it comes to this. For the most part every smoker i have known was always courtious to me and others and made sure not to bother anyone and would gladly put out their ciggarette if it bothered anyone. Don't get me wrong i dont like the smell of my clothes after a night at the clubs, but that is my choice to go there and put myself in that environment and i have to deal with it when i get home. if i don't want to smell like smoke then i should not go out...becuase everyone is doing it...nothing you can really do. I have to say though that i like the ideas that California and a few other places have implemented where you can't smoke in any public place. I think it's fair in the sense that you shouldn't have to be subjected to secnd hand smoke just becuase you want to go out to a club, bar, or restaurant. Everyone knows it's a lot worse to have second hand smoke in your system so i think it is very fair to make public places a non smoking environment. You shouldn't have to be worried about your health when you are in these public places. Of course in all of the clubs and barsi went to in california they have nice patios where people can smoke and things like that so it's not like they are discriminating in any way against smokers. I really do like that idea and think it shuld be implemented nationwide. If they can do it at stadiums where families and other people go then they sure can do it at clubs, bars, etc.... Just to give everyone a better environment when they are out.
C'mon...nobody on this site seems to be unfairly hard on smokers. I'm a past smoker who, still, after 5+ years of quiting, can feel the physical addiction in me occasionally to pick up a cigarette, and certainly have no problems with smoking certain other plants, you know. I grew up in a smoking household. My mom and sisters still smoke. It's okay....if you want to smoke that's fine. That said, if someone is going to base "their side" of the argument on complete refusal to acknowledge studies done to show the harmful effect of second-hand smoke, refusal to acknowledge another posters legitimate bad reaction to such smoke, and ignorance of the topic to such an extent that they are just being argumentative to "represent their side", they are likely going to receive slack on this board For the most part, in my perusals on the internet over the years, though this board certainly has its fair share of opinionated members, they also tend to be some of the smartest around, I think - representing a variety of age, race, and economic demographics (though mostly male) - which generally means, the kind of reasoning mentioned above can be mind-boggling.
HEHE I smoke CIGARS... it's a whole diff beast of smoke, I cant stand the smell or taste of cigarettes...
I started smoking when I was a teenager, just for fun and to look cool. I stopped smoking almost a year ago coz. the insurance company is loading me for that. If I can stay 'smoke free' for at least one year, then my premium can be reduced.
