Max: Puleeze. Since when have we been able to smoke wherever we wanted? The 60's. Wasn't around then. Also, I love the "let's not associate this with air pollution." What in the world do you think second hand smoke is? A solid? Jeff, I put a websie on here in a previous post. I Have NOOO problem with smoke-free bars. If it was a good place to go, I'd probably try it out. That said, Banning Smoking at all establishments simply is ridiculous. Period. End of Discussion. There are simply other pollutants out there that need the real focus. Smog is there for a reason. And I guaran-freakin-tee you it ain't second hand smoke wafting above our heads. Use common sense, people! Since when has any "No Tolerance" issue been a good one? It ain't this. And y'all's arguments to ban it everywhere are quite selfish. I know where I can and cannot smoke. I abide by these rules. You think that y'all could abide by them too.
I have them too, and that's my problem. If a bar is to smokey I will definitely leave. I am also irritated my incense at churches, cleaning solvents, pets, and certain foods, perfume and colognes especially bother me. If I am bothered by any of it, I will go somewhere else. It sucks that there are not more non-soking establishments, there should be. But is complete prohibition of smoking at all of them the best answer?
But they were never forced to. IT WAS A CHOICE. Did you have a choice in what you do for a living? Where there deciding factors? Was your health one of them? That is all I am asking for. A choice.
puleeze stop making up "rights." what's funny is that the exact same logic used to argue against this is the exact same logic used in desegregation cases back in the 50's and 60's to support the idea that private establishments shouldn't have to let black people in. i'm certainly not saying that those opposed to this ordinance would back that...or that the same concerns are at play. i just think it's funny. we can all go on and on. we can rally for it...or rally against it. but i think it's coming. it's inevitable. we already have these ordinances in public sporting arenas, concerns for "choice" notwithstanding. this is next.
Of course I could, and I do. Often. My point is that if this passes, it will..... I repeat, WILL get worse. These things take on a life of their own. People get what they want, and suddenly, they want more. You think this is the first time there has been a ban on smoking in Houston? WRONG. A line has to be drawn. It is time that people started standing up to people who constantly complain. It used to be that this country was run by the majority. It seems more and more that is run by the "whiny few", and it is getting to where if I'm the only one willing to stand up for my rights, then so be it. But I will not be pushed around by the "whiny few" anymore.
Fatty: For your reference, Mucky Duck is currently the ONLY live music venue that regularly offers non-smoking shows and ONLY for selected national touring acts. Since that probably represents about 1/10th of 1 percent of all the club shows in Houston, the option for seeing live local music in a non-smoking environment in Houston essentially does not exist.
Baytown has had a no smoking ordinance for about 5 years now... if a business wants to have a smoking section, it has to be enclosed and have its own seperate ventilation system. It can be inconvienent sometimes...but I adapted..especially on bowling night...it was weird to get used to not being able to smoke while I was bowling in a league... the funny thing is...the local smoke shop tried to say that since only smokers came into their sstore, they should be allowed to have their whole store designated a smoking section...needless to say...it didnt work. anyway... to you antismoking folks....if you think even for a second that us smokers dont think it is baad for us...you are sadly mistaken...we know damn good and well that it is nasty smelly and dangerous to our health.....but Im of the opinion that the dangers of second hand smoke is vastly overstated...once the smoke gets into the air, it becomes so diluted that it becomes way less toxic than the very air we breathe everyday(or at least those of us that work and live near the industries) Fatty makes a good point tho....why arent yall this rabid getting the government to crackdown on the crap the industries crank out everyday of the week? trust me on this...I know...I grew up in Pasadena, and currently live in Baytown less than 2 miles from Exxon.
1. when was there a smoking ban in houston? 2. you're making lots of asumptions about what you think the majority wants. i'm not sure they're on your side on this thing.
As far as a city ordinance or governmental ban, it is actually the first time. And, by standing up to you, we are all standing up to someone constantly complaining about this issue. Ironic, huh?
didnt Eleanor Tinsley get a partial smoking ban enacted when she was on council? They aoutlawed smoking at the Summit and other large venues a few years back, no?
Actually, it doesn't take much research to determine that every study done or poll taken on this issue finds that better than 2/3'ds of Americans favor bans on smoking in restaurants, bars and nightclubs.
That was in government buildings and the large venues issue was simply something that was extended under that ordinance because they are city-controlled venues. By the way, that ordinance has stuck, never been challenged and, by all accounts, has been quite successful. There has NEVER been a city ban on smoking in restaurants or bars.
yes...there are ordinances restricting smoking in certain places. but not an all out ban in all public venues. i assumed that's what he meant.
1) that is still a public place and you can't smoke their either. 2) it's not a choice when it is mandated. 3) you are out
