If I'm not mistaken, there are still cigar shops/lounges in NYC...but I haven't been to one in a while..anyone know for sure?
Whew this thread is down right NASTY... I'm a smoker and like to drink and smoke while in a bar--but REALLY somkey bars wear me out...Sometimes I preferr to go outside and smoke as I can't smoke inside at work and I WON'T smoke inside my apartament. I wouldn't be that effected as long as they had patios that were covered or something--but an all-out ban is too much
No, you just decided to be absolutely unreasonable. I was going to basically ignore this issue since it doesn't affect me any more as I am a non-smoker who doesn't care if others smoke. I may just have to help in the fight against it because of your illustration of intractable, unreasonable idiocy.
They become a private club. I don't know all the ends and outs but I guess it's similar to what they have in Utah (at the Olympics a few years back I beleive every bar was private). Each club has it's "members" and tehy pay some sort of dues (in Utah it was like $20-100 to become a member). Problem is wait until they see their new insurance premiums (both for employee insurance and for liability that they get sued for causing cancer to workers/patrons). I'm sure they will get bent over.
Why is there no middle ground in America anymore? Let people make choices for themselves. The government doens't need to be telling us what we can do and where. Don't like the smoke. Don't go to a bar or wait for a table in non-smoking. Too much legislation is a bad.
Ah, so basically bars that will allow smoking will become "private club" like establishments that serve alcohol in dry counties. I wonder how many places will do this? It will cost non-smokers who support this more money to go to places to see live music etc. that have become a "private club". Well that solved that problem....
The funny thing is, we've given veerrrryyy reasonable alternatives to an outright ban. MasterBaiter, NJRocket and a couple of others don't come up with good reasonings, unless crapping in public is your thing. Any and every time we've come up with a bright response, they reply with "nana nana boo boo" crap. "you're about to looossseee." If it goes through, so be it. I find it completely ludicrous, and in the years to come, the naysayers will realize it also. But I'm done arguing with juveniles. Quit doing analogies. I've seen them. They're not good. Here's a suggestion..... Come up with a reasonable alternative to an out and out ban at all public places. I'm willing to listen.
Are you really American? Sounds like you want to turn our country into a place where you would be called an American't. How about this? Overeating is physically destructive to people, and physically addictive. The government should create and enforce laws to control, limit, and stop people from overeating. Come on! Freedom is power - and to quote Spiderman, with great power comes great responsibility. Why does the government have to get involved in this? If I want to be a dumbass and do some things that may drastically lower my life expectancy, why not let me? Give me the freedom to be responsible for my life. Look, if you want the government to control every aspect of your life (and other's lives, which is what concerns most busybodies), there are plenty of dictatorships in the world to choose from. For my part, I'd appreciate the government having less control over my life, not more.
First the 3ft rule, now this.. Can't we amend the ban to restaurants only? Would you guys who support this ban go for that? Someone had an excellent point earlier re: bars. Bars aren't a place for your pregnant wife or your kids. It's a place where people go to indulge in their vices. You don't HAVE to go to a bar if you are a non-smoker. Smoke-free restaurants, smokey bars... You make both sides happy. As for workers, can't you leave it up to them? Would a health waiver that needs to be signed prior to eomployment appease you guys who support this ban? I'm sure ppl will go to where the money is, regardless if it's smoke filled or not. Besides, find me a bar in Dallas where ppl don't smoke.
And those designated places can be changed/removed if the majority so choose. And as Jeff has pointed out already (which no one has addressed), there is only 1 smoke-free bar in town. I don't think bars are "specifically" for smoking, so I have no problem in creating more places for non-smokers to go/work. You have had a monopoly long enough. Our turn.... Everyone isn't worried about dying from second hand smoke. A lot of people (myself included) just don't like to come home from a place, smelling like smoke when we choose not to smoke. It is an inconvienence to us. The problem is the number of places for a non-smoker to be is severly limited (as far as bars go).
Again, you are talking about using the power of the majority to force YOUR choices on the minority. That alone is unAmerican. But as I have stated, I don't think that anyone would argue with reasonable regulation of smoking/nonsmoking areas in restaurants and bars, which would continue to give the choice to business owners. If the owner doesn't think it is worth it to provide air scrubbers and ventilation, they can choose to provide an outdoors patio or go totally nonsmoking. The point is that the BUSINESS OWNER needs to have the choice. It is their business, their customers, and their profits that will be affected, they need to have the choice in this.
I don't understand why this is relevant. It's what the demand of the free market has called for. Leave it be, why let the goverment intervene? One of you guys should take out a loan and open up another smoke-free bar/concert hall and rake in the cash. Once other entrepreneurs see that smoke-free places bring in cash, there will be a lot more.
AS NJRocket has so kindly pointed out, this is not about your dislike of being smelly. Its not even about you. And as he also has so kindly pointed out, establishment owners will act without a ban. All you nonsmokers have to do is act with the power the market gives you. Besides, its not just a matter of making us stand outside. You are stripping the OWNER of the establishment's choice. Its like going to a Mexican restaurant and demanding they serve you polish kielbasa because its inconvienent for you to drive all the way to the polish restaurant. That's crazy.
Yea, but I've had to live with eating Mexican food from Mexican restaurants for way too long now. It's your turn. Ha. Ha. Ha. Or is it muhahaha?
This is so ****ing laughable. Non smokers are so lazy that they are going out and GETTING THE ****ING LAW CHANGED!!! How is that lazy??? They are doing something about it and you call them lazy. I call it smart. And then the lazy ass smokers are going to have to get up off their dead ass and go kill themselves outside. Poor babies. I feel so sorry for you, having to appease all of us lazy b*stard non smokers. You kill me man. I'm so lazy that I work out every day to keep myself in shape. I'm so lazy that I cook 95% of my own meals so that I eat healthy. I'm so lazy that I actually try to keep myself healthy as opposed to smokers that go out of their way to kill themselves. It must take a lot of ****ing effort to get off your damn barstool and go buy a pack of cigarettes. I'm sorry that I've had this backards this whole damn time thinking that we non smokers are getting **** on by having to put up with carcinogens from your nasty ****ing habit. The next time I see someone smoking I'm gonna go shake their hand and tell them how I applaud their effort to smoke and how I, the lazy b*stard that I am, am going to try to live up to their example.
No, nonsmokers are so intolerant that they are going out to get the law changed in a way that does not even ATTEMPT to compromise. They are so self centered on this issue that they think it is OK to just roll over on the freedom of the minority. Almost makes me want to start smoking again just so I don't have to be labeled a nonsmoker.
