Smithers, see how my Confederate Slaveholdings stock is doing!

Same elected form of government. Better?

 

<b>timing</b>: Where is the crime-- literallY?

 

The crime? I'm not a DA but how about kidnapping, conspiracy to kidnap, murder, conspiracy to murder, forced labor, denial of human rights, violation of the constitution and the bill of rights, and crimes against humanity.

Incidentally, the UN has a resolution that disallows a statute of limitations on crimes against humanity so again another example of how the time issue is irrelevant.

 

I would sue the government for reparations since my family did not come over until the early 1900's therefore I should not be penalized for something that my family had nothing to do with.....

On the other hand, I am 1/4 Indian and entitled to over 2k a month in money from my tribes casino earnings in Iowa, I decline to take the money as I don't need it, and think that others may get better use of it.


DaDakota

 

So $1.4 trillion ends the whole issue forever and we can never have to hear about slavery again. How about $140 billion and we still have to a little feel guilty but not as much (and the issue of reparations never comes up again)?

I'd be willing to go for that just to keep from having to hear about the issue again.

Of course, I'll be suing the Catholic Church for the Crusades soon.

 

I don't feel the least bit guilty about something that happened 140 years ago.

Get real...no one from that period is even alive.

There is no pain and suffering from being a slave as no one alive has ever BEEN a slave.

This is ridiculous. Anytime anyone wants to leave our country they are free to go....I will help anyone pack if they don't like the freedoms and opportunities here.

This lady is a gold digger, pure and simple.

DaDakota

 

Actually more than you think have left the US. The problem is generally money, because it is expensive to do such a thing. So, groups like Garvey's were formed as well as others who were sponsered by either rich black or rich white people to go to Europe or Africa. Europe was a big destination in the early 20th century.

Important.

 

Well, good luck on those prosecutions!

 

Next on the docket, lawsuit against the government for the "trail of tears" tragedy. Maybe I should hurry of to law school before someone beats me to that gold mine.

 

Thanks Plain-American but I don't think any luck will be needed if the strength of the defense rests on but your honor they're better off.

 

I really love that value judgment of the quality of life in Africa, giddyup. Obviously in terms of material wealth the US is better off, but if you feel so powerful in stature that you feel you can make that decision FOR people about what constitutes a good life, then it really shows the lack of consciousness that a lot of Americans still exhibit.

 

I don't think that this is such a gray issue.

The internment of Japanese and WWII Slave Labor are not relevant precendents, since those affected parties were still alive.

It is lunacy to believe that governments will be forced to search through their history and identify where they have wronged peoples, then somehow calculate equitable reparations to pay to their descendants.

Slavery was heinous, but there is no way to right this 140 year-old wrong. The people harmed by it are long gone.

 

Time is very relevant when the people who committed the 'crimes against humanity' are all dead.

 

Money for nothing

one more person humping the American Dream

 

Is it really that much of a value judgment? I'm not going to argue the 'their better off here' logic sinec I believe that it's irrelevant, but generally speaking, one doesn't have to be an egoistic and myopic American to recognize the higher quality of life in the States:

* Which country in Africa has the freedom that Americans have?
* AIDS Epidemic: 5% of adults in Nigeria, 20% of adults in South Africa, 36% of adults in Botswana, etc.
* Look at a list of African countries and horror stories of famine, civil/tribal wars and massacres, lawlessness, and ruthless leaders abound: Uganda, Rwanda, Libya, Sudan, Congo, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Algeria, Somalia, Ethiopia, etc.

giddyup really wasn't going out on a limb there.

 

Show me YOUR ticket then. Rimbaud made some kind of reference to African emigration stats but I don't think it is a phenomenon worth noting.

I'm not making that decision FOR people, I'm recognizing that they have made it for THEMSELVES by staying here IN DROVES.

You're no dimwitted enough to dispute that are you?

Yes, my bias is for America, so that is how it comes out, but the facts back up my prejudice that life in America beats the hell out of a life in Africa. Damn, even Hakeem is still here!

 

My 2 main arguments would be: 1. The victims are dead and gone and 2. The slave-traders are dead and gone.

My third would be: it wasn't illegal.

My fourth would be: it was commonplace.

My fifth would be: WE HAVEN'T DONE IT AGAIN.

What in the heck does a UN regulation have to do with a civil litigation in the United States? Pull your head out man!

 

So $1.4 trillion ends the whole issue forever and we can never have to hear about slavery again. How about $140 billion and we still have to a little feel guilty but not as much (and the issue of reparations never comes up again)?

Sorry, no one's going to answer your question, mrpaige. (Same with your other question about considering other already existent forms of reparations) Answering that would put the pro-reparations camp in a bit of a bind.

 

Murdered people are dead too so we shouldn't prosecute their murders? LOL

The governments and corporations that benefitted from free labor aren't dead. Legality is irrelevant when something like slavery is so blatantly unconstitutional. Commonplace? Since when was that an excuse for criminal conduct?

In case you haven't heard Plain-American, trials are held within the UN. You really think this is the only lawsuit that's coming?

 

The people harmed by it are long gone? WTF?

It's lunacy to believe that any government can get away with crimes against peoples based on the cop out that the people they physically enslaved are dead. Dead people have families and ancestors that are harmed by that loss of freedom and income. They'll have to prove that in court but if they're able to there is no reason why they shouldn't be compensated.