Smith, Charles Barkley, Magic all picked Amare as ROY

Beyao, the Amare is a role player and Yao was a focal point argument is very weak. If anything it only goes to show how much more Amare did with his role as a role player than Yao did in his role as a focal point considering their numbers are about even. Is it not common sense that a role player always will have signifigantly lower numbers than a focal point?

 

Amare is freakishly athletic and could turn out to be a great one, but let's not forget that he is a role player for a reason. He has no post moves, cannot pass and rarely draws the double team.

Another way to draw distinctions between the two rooks:
Look at the Suns big wins this year, they were games in which Starbury and Matrix dominated and Stoudemire played a supporting role with usually modest numbers. Now look at the ROX best games of the season...wins over San Ant, Indiana, LA, Phoenix - they were all games in which Yao played a key role. Who had more to do with their team's success?

 

Apparently you are the only one seeing it. The double & triple teams have been mentioned in coutless articles about him. IE.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/teams/suns/20030111.html

"Rookie PF Amare Stoudemire is getting a crash course in facing double- and triple-teams in the post.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/rosen/030204.html

"Yet the youngster is so dangerous in the low post that the Knicks tender him the ultimate compliment -- double-teaming him on every catch. "


He doesn't always perform well under the pressure of the double & triple teams (lots of turnovers from not knowing how to handle it), but other teams are definitely putting more than one body on him just about every time he catches the ball.

 

That's Misleading.
With today's zone defenses, anything dumped into the paint where Amare usually gets it is going to command a double/triple team just be virtue of being right there, smack in the middle of converging defenses. That is quite different than the double teams Yao gets when he's getting hot. Think about it. Opposing teams actually went out of their way to PLAN on how to counter Yao. I doubt that even a fraction of that time gets spent on Amare, who, quite frankly shoots a horrific FG% and FT%.

Yes, he's athletic, but then again so is Ben Wallace, Desmond Mason, and many other young players. Athleticism alone does not warrant the ROY. Objectively speaking, if the judges of this event go sheerly by stats, Yao SHOULD win. Even if we include intangibles such as "defensive presence", altering shots, changing opposing teams' offensive schema... then Yao, by a long shot should win. The one outlier right now is what happens if PHX gets into the playoffs in lieu of the Rox???

Whether or not we'd like to believe it, public opinion weighs very heavily on these kinds of decision... even if we don't have a direct vote as we did with the All Star balloting. Let's hope public opinion of Yao remains strong through these next couple of weeks.



theSAGE

 

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Hey dude shut up. That guy was right - I saw the TNT show in question and there was no doubt that it was another case of "Brother taken care of another brother". I am a black but I sensed a little racism and nepotism in Tragic Myopia and Sir Charles' opinions. I have completed lost respect for them as reliable and intelligent analysts. The funny thing was that I was not surprised though about what came of their mouth.

Any way their opinions don't count when all is said and done.

 

One thing People seem to Easily forget is that the ROY award is based on KNOWN ACCOMPLISHMENTS and NOT Potential

In this vein, Yao has definitely overachieved relative to Amare. All the talk about Amare being a force in the league and this and that is IRRELEVANT. Yes, he's put up respectable numbers. But in comparison to Yao and Yao's impact this year on the game and for his team, there is simply NO COMPARISON. Moreover, considering how Yao worked his way into the starting rotation a couple of months INTO the season with NO SUMMER CAMP all the more reinforces how much progress he's made.

IMHO, the best gauge is NOT Sir Charles or any of his TNT crew, but rather, the COACHES, which, for a sample, we frequently hear as broadcasters for NBA games. To me, it's pretty clear, who they'd like to coach insofar as DEMONSTRABLE VALUE.

The answer is Yao.
"Amare who?" is the question.



theSAGE

 

Now that my Rox is out of the playoffs, I could care less if Yao wins ROY.

 

Has anybody ever thought that amare is a role player b/c there are two legitamate all-stars on that team, and yao is the focal point b/c houston doesn't have as many great players on the team (francis probably wouldn't have been an all-star if he didn't get voted in, while marbury flat out deserved to be one).

 

wow, you really can read beneath the lines!!! You must be Dr. Phil. Sorry, doc for my offense.

Seriously though, this ROY topic has been beaten to death and we all know both deserve equally for ROY because statistics does not lie. To say Amare deserves more than Yao is just as biased as the other way around. But the fact of matter is I just do not care about ROY at all - whoever gets it is fine with me.

 

The Jet (loser), Chaz, and Tragic Johnson cannot accept the fact that a foreigner (Yao) has more game than a inner city kid from the U.S.

Remember when Chaz wagered that Yao couldn't score 20 pts?

I remember on draft day The Jet was kind of upset that a foreigner was being pick #1.

I just think they are in denial that the rest of the world has caught up w/ the U.S. in B-ball.

Oh yeah... didn't we lose a couple of game in the Olympics?

 

The biggest change for Rox and the Suns from last year is that the Rox lost Rudy as the coach and the replacement Larry is a piece of garbage. Larry changed the game plan with his own stupid stuff.

 

The Rox was a worse team to begin with. They drafted first while the Suns drafted 9th. With the addition of Yao and Amare, both are good, but the Suns is still the better team. Yao still deserves the ROY, not over Amare, but over Caron Butler.

 

Stats don't tell the whole story in this case. Not even close, in fact...

Bottom line is that teams changed their defensive schemes completely to account for Yao, and nobody made any changes to account for Stoudemire. I wonder how Stoudemire would've done it he'd been double- and triple-teamed for the last 50 or 60 games like Yao has. Amare's going to be a great player, but this year most of his stats came off of a single defender with him getting a lot of put-backs of missed shots or being the bailout option for guys driving in. It's not like the Suns were running all that many plays for the guy.

 

YOU ARE SO RIGHT ! COME ONE LETS ADMIT IT, BROTHAS GOTTA BACK UP BRTOHAS. "WE CANT HAVE ANOTHER FOREIGNER WIN THE ROY AWARD AGAIN. I DONT GIVE A DAMN WHAT THOSE ANALYIST SAY THEY ARE ALL BIASED AGIANST YAO ANYWAY, ESPECIALLY THAT BIOTCH KENNY SMITH WHO SAID FOREIGN PLAYERS ARE A FAD AND NOT REAL CONTENDERS. TO HELL WITH "NO RING" BARKLEY, " I THOUGT I WAS FUNNY, SO I GOT A TALK SHOW, BUT I SUCK" JOHNSON.

 

ANYONE EVER NOTICE THAT MOST OF THESE ANALYIST ARE HAS-BEENS THAT NEVER HAD MUCH OF A MEMERABLE CAREER. GUYS LIKE TIM LEGLAR ( WHO?) SEAN ELLIOT (GOD THIS GUY IS UGLY) AND THAT SONOFABITCH JACK HALEY (GOD I HATE THIS GUY)

 

Jdiddy, You are the idiot. We are talking about, Kenny Smith, Charles Barkley, and Magic Johnson who all had great carreers and know a helluva lot more about basketball than you and you bring up Tim Leglar, Sean Elliot, and Jack Haley who have nothing to do with this and at least 2 of whom are huge supporters of Ming. You just discredited 2 of Ming's biggest supporters and gave credit to the people who were going for Amare with that never done anything comment.

 

Well, Can Amare be the focal point of Phoenix? Well he get better number if he carries the offense load for that team. Can he do well if the team relies on him to win the game? The answer is we dont know, therefore he still needs to prove himself to be a big time player.

 

Inrocket, Thank you for proving an old point. You said the Suns have 2 legitimate Allstars and the Rockets only one. Wasn't Ming suppossed to be an allstar? Thank you for standing up and saying he wasn't a legitimate Allstar(even though that is not what you were trying to say). The fact that he started the Allstar game and we arguing if he should be ROY over a guy who averaged 13,9 out of high school says how illegitimate his spot was.

 

Feishen, Shouldn't the same be said about Yao? He has proven nothing either. And don't name a game here or there because you can point to one game against an mvp candidate(Garnett) where Amare carried his team to victory and played bigger than Yao ever has against even scrubs. This is just one game. And he goes against tougher competiton every night. Yao only has a couple of games a year where he has a tough opponent in the post. That should say it all. Yao plays against stiff's 90% of the time and still being the FOCAL POINT can't put up better numbers than Amare as a ROLE PLAYER.

 

It's terribly unfortunate that the Rockets have performed so miserably down the stretch. Their playoff hopes are dashed and we don't even have a lottery pick to speak of. Now we're left to focus on something totally IRRELEVANT.

This is the "Game Action & Roster Moves" section of Clutch BBS, not the "I Wanna Give Yao A Blowie" section.

Stop this incessant whining, please.

But for what it's worth, I don't think anybody deserves the ROY award. These numbers everybody floats around are anemic and the purported impact on a given team is crap.

Ultimately, though, for those who care about the ROY award, please wait until it is actually awarded. Kenny, Charles, and Magic did not give the award to Amare so this discussion (irrelevant or not) is entirely premature.