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Smarts, or lack of savvy.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Mar 2, 2003.

  1. DearRock

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    You are big time mistaken. Have you seen the kind of passes Kidd delivers in traffic around the basket? Have you seen what Kidd does with the ball when he is the one that got the rebound? Have you seen the kind of pressure Kidd puts on a defense? Have you seen what Kidd has done with Jefferson? He would do the same with Posey. In fact remove Rudy and put in Scott or Riley and you would see trouble. It is simple Kidd makes it easy and Francis makes it hard.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Dear,

    Exactly....passing the ball with 2 seconds left on the shot clock because he jumped in the air with nowhere to go is NOT setting your teamates up for success.

    What Steve should be doing is driving...drawing a double team and dishing to the open man...simple basketball.

    Prime example is as the Rockets were making their customary late run...Rice missed a 3, Steve got a tremendous rebound...but rather then pass it back to an even MORE WIDE OPEN Rice Steve drives into the defense and turns it over.

    Exactly what is wrong with his play...pass it back out......to the wide open man....UGH.

    Also, did you guys see when Manu Ginobli came in, Cat stopped guarding him, and after he hit 3 straight uncontested shots, cat was looking around like "who is this guy"....it was utterly contemptable.

    You have to respect ALL the NBA players.......our guys think they can simply go out and score and win the game....they are wrong.

    DD
     
  3. DearRock

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    Dada, could you explain to me the advantage we have when we walk up the ball? I thought somebody said that Rudy coach to the talent he has. So enlighten me if you can as to how exactly we are better off with a slowed down offense.
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    DearRock,

    I am hoping that is sarcasm, because I can not understand it either. Why not RUN it up the court and get some early looks? Like Dallas or Sacremento, or the Spurs for that matter?

    The Rockets are a team seeking an identity, it is clear that Rudy has not defined the roles for his players. I think he prefers to let them work their own way out.

    Well, sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omlette.

    Rudy needs to show some tough love, or we can show him the door.


    DD
     
  5. Glyyde

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    to be frank with u guys, as I live in Malaysia, I only got to see limited amount of Rockets games.... and from what I see in those games, those open shots sets up for EG and Posey are not 2sec left or a dying kick out pass from Francis.... they are pretty nicely set up and EG and Posey just miss it point blank.....

    I have no idea about other game that are not telecast to me, though I agree that Francis do make lots of stupid mistake.... but I notice improvement in his decision from the start of the season till now... he seems to be passing a lot to his teamates, his FGA is going down, and he seems to look to pass more than what he does last time....

    I still got hope in Francis and believe that next season will be better for the Rocks. With an improve Yao Ming and Francis is improving, the future is still bright for the Rockets. Though some addition of shooters in this summer might be a good choice..... hell, give Boki a try if there are really no shooters in this team
     
  6. DearRock

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    Oh god yes. Rudy needs some balls here and now. He needs to pull SF in and take control of this team. When you see a stellar defensive player like Posey losing ground everyday you know it has to be from frustration he has with the offense and the way it is being run. A greyhound like Posey is being forced to play like Rice. Why is it so difficult for anyone to see that the ball is not moving up the court quick enough even when SF gets the rebound. That in itself hurts the team because SF should allow the big men to get the board and he himself run out.

    Plus this nonsense about Ming needing to go and help EG on defense leaving countless centers to get and make open shots is crazy. That is a coaching move that clearly stupid.

    Then there is MoT. Last year I called him a punk for putting on weight after being stupid enough to smoke grass. Jeff called me out on that. I have to question MoT when he is having difficulty playing his game but would open his big mouth and question Jackson because he did not go to high school. How ignorant for a college grad!, who by the way took money while in college. What is he thinking? Not only is Jackson a rising asset in this league, he has beaten the odds after being cut and having to go to Europe 3 yrs ago. Learn to rebound, MoT, that what you should be doing and earning your keep.
     
  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Another thread about our pg not having a high BBall IQ. Shouldn't this be locked? Seriously, hasn't this been discussed before, a guy who just scored 21 pts. 8 boards 8 assists, on a bad wheel is obiviously lacks Basket Ball IQ.
     
  8. DearRock

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    Gly, have you seen SF after a big play? Have you seen Kidd after a big play? Although they are different personalities, you can see the "me-ness" is the reaction of one vs the other.

    I would say there is no justifiable reason for the ball to be in SF's hand so offen. He dominates the ball more that Stockton, for Christsakes and has nothing to show for it but a truckload of turnovers. If Mobley was running the offense we could not be anymore lost than we are offensively.

    We are doomed if we do not get the ball out of SF's hands more and get more out of the team when he does have the ball.
     
  9. DearRock

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    Pgab, did you see the game? The stat you left out was the amount of times SF bentover to hide the frustration of another botched-up play, by him.
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Oh yeah, and he shot over 50%. I don't understand what you people expect. The Rockets aren't that good right now. EG is developing slowly, Rice is good, but he is hurt so much they can't get a consistent feel for his game, and Yao is a rookie. Posey can't score a basket to save his life, we only have Mobley, Francis, and Yao, and Mobley is just average. But blaming everything on Steve is just not right, the guy has no one to pass to but Yao.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Yes I saw the game, I guess it is Steve's job to guard Duncan, Robinson and Dinobli also.
     
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  13. montgo

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    They aint listening. Granted, Francis plays with feel more than system, but if you had a coach that exherted some more discipline and authority on the team, we might see something different. All the mental mistakes have to add up to the coaching staff in the end. Let's face it, all the top playoff teams have well rounded staffs and many with headcoaching experience in the second seat.

    I watched pregame versus SA and I watched our coaches jack around with the players shoot around and I watched SA coach the players and work with them. Total difference in styles and one is working and one is not.

    Players need to be benched when they do not hustle and play D. Players need to be benched when they continuously make major mental mistakes, like back court violations and 24 second violations after holding the ball for 5 seconds. Players need to be benched when they watch the opposing team hit uncontested jumpers in your face.

    This is the bottomline in coaching ranks. I do not care whether you make 10 mil or 500k....The law has to be laid down like children. These guys have not earned the right to have a self-disciplining/kangaroo style coaching strategy. They need to be reeled in and disciplined.

    Rudy, and I think highly of him, is not this type of coach and his staff is not this type.
     
  14. New Jack

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    I've read numerous times Yao mentioning in his interviews about Rudy telling him not to go out and guard the opposing center, because they can't shoot. Those same exact centers ended up torching the Rockets. Maybe it's not just the players that need to stop underestimating the other teams role players, but the coach as well.

    Rudy, of all people, should know never to underestimate role players. Hakeem and a group of role players helped win him 2 championships.
     
  15. Rocket River

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    Actually . . . it is interesting argument u make
    indirectly.

    Parker and Gibilino . . . been playing professionally how long?
    [I know Parker has been playing pro since like 15. . . 15!!!!]
    BTW does he have a high school diploma? do you care?
    Maybe the Lebron James's of the world has it right
    maybe college should just be taken out of the mix totally
    Duncan is a 4 yr guy . . .very mature. . but could he have
    benefited from PRO ball since he was 15??

    Ming been pro since . .. at least 17 . . .and it has
    be the primary focus of his life since much younger
    [not school . . . . ]

    Not saying they not smart. . but school was secondary
    in their lives. . . .american players are the same but still
    have to at least concentrate on school SOMEWHAt

    My point is. . . maybe the NBDL should be open from 16 up.

    Rocket River


     
  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Another apology from PGabrial who refuses to see bad team play from it's star player.

    If you want to look away, close your eyes, and think everything is ok with this team, fine.

    However, some of us are seeing signs that the team is regressing.

    Steve is supposed to be the leader, and right now, he is failing miserably.

    DD
     
  17. ROXTXIA

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    Exactly.

    And to make it worse: San Antonio has cap room for next year (Kidd? Olowakandi? Dre Miller? etc). Denver has cap room. GS is getting better. Seattle isn't far off---needs a PF.

    I've mostly given up on this team's chances for the playoffs, but I do believe there will be major changes in the summer. Do we want to take this team into the new arena?
     
  18. dmenacela

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    hi all, first post here and just couldn't resist.

    I think rockets need a new coach, and its also the player's faults. steve is just not willing to give the rock up, and cat too. somebody has to step up here or this team will never go nowhere. if anything, maybe a new arena and uniforms will help us next year.

    btw, i'm sick of all the isolation plays the rockets run, why don't they pick and roll more?

    starting lineup shoudl be:
    francis
    mobley
    taylor
    rice
    yao

    wth is rudy starting posey and griffen, they just suck.
     
  19. pgabriel

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    That's not an apology, that's just the facts mam, just the facts. 21pts, 8 of 15 from the field, 8 boards, 8 assists, 4 turnovers. That is such a terrible game. How about somebody putting a hand in Gninobli's face. How about one of powerforwards blocking out. Exactly where did Steve screw this game up, at what point since it is so clear?
     
  20. DearRock

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    PGab, the last time I checked SF is the leader of the team and the team is offensively challenged with the ball in his had. The stats you should be quoting are those of the team. Things like fg%, # of fast breaks, how many smart decision SF made, etc.
     

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