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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Mar 2, 2003.

  1. LiTtLeY1521

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    MAINLY.......we need a new smart coach.......and a shooter. But we also need a point guard. Cuz dang....................do you know how many assists per game we have?!?!? Terrible.
     
  2. playahata

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    Re;ease Cuttino. I am sick of the same old thing from his sorry no account a##. Maybe instead of hiring a publicist he coud just reprise his role as Sloth in the goonies. Can anyone say baby ruth.
     
  3. Juugie

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    I disagree.

    If Tony Parker's coach only called two plays a game, one of which was for him to get the ball at the top of the key and just make something happen, the other was to just throw the ball to the post and wait for a three, Parker wouldn't look so smart.

    First of all, Duncan is an INFINITELY better player than any inside threat we have right now, so you must concentrate your defense on him. And the other teams build their defense around keeping Steve out of the lane. Every time Steve looks like he wants to drive three guys surround him. No one's really worried about the Rockets' shooters. With Parker, you don't want to double him and get open looks for the other player. Imagine the kind of Numbers Steve could put up if he were playing one on one.

    And as I've said before, all of this emphasis on Steve being the problem with our ball movement because he is the point guard is outdated. With the new zone defenses, it takes two or three passes to get good looks in this league. The with the best ball movement, the Kings, the Mavs, and the Spurs, lets look at their point guard's assist numbers...Steve Nash averages 7, Bibby averages 5.4, and Parker averages 5.4. Steve averages 6.0 assists so he gets more assists than Bibby or Parker but their teams are much better passing teams. Every one on Sacramento's team can pass. Bibby, Christy, Peja, Webber, Divac.
    Same with the Spurs and Dallas. How many good passers do the Rockets have? Just Steve and Yao. No one else will even make a pass. That's why the Rocket's offense is lousy. Not vets. Too many one on one players.
     
  4. studogg

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    alright little one, let me elaborate to help explain. With the three players on the court that are offensive....Taylor, Ming and Francis you only need defense at the other two positions. Francis is also over forty percent from beyond three this year which would extend the d from the opposing team.

    Now you are right, ideallisticly you would love a sharp shooter out there as well, but with as porous as stevies d is against opposing guards a defensive two and three are more important.

    remember i said it would help some of the problems, not all
     
  5. Dr of Dunk

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    Go back and see who those PG's were passing to on those teams...

    Let's see... from top to bottom.

    1) The Showtime Lakers
    2) The best or 2nd best team of the 80's, the Celtics
    3) Dr. J and Moses Malone : 2 of the greatest to ever play the game.
    4) One of the 2 or 3 greatest teams ever assembled in the modern basketball era : the 80's celtics. Bird, McHale, Parish, etc.
    5) On one of the best defensive teams ever. Possibly the most intimidating.
    6) Jordan and Pippen
    7) Jordan and Pippen
    8) Hakeem and Drexler
    9) Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe
    10) Duncan and Robinson
    11) Kobe and Shaq

    You could put Steve on any of those teams probably and they'd still win championships. The exception may be the Pistons team. I mean come on man, give me Worthy, Jabbar, McGee, and Cooper, and I could probably take them to a championship. :D

    Who the hell do the Rockets have? Cuttino Mobley and a 22 year old that is still learning the NBA. We don't have the talent. We have the talent to make the playoffs, but we just don't have the talent that Les seems to brag we have. So to compare this team to any of those teams you mentioned is a bit far-fetched.
     
  6. LiTtLeY1521

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    Juugie.....you are so right. I agree with you.

    And studogg. You are right too. I guess it would work....but then our bench would be screwed. We need some help.

    Well back to Juugie. GOD YOU ARE RIGHT. The Kings.....their players all know their roles and accept it. And they can all shoot. They can all pass. They have a good strategy....works all the time. We try to do what they do.....but we can't......cuz none of our players can shoot. Francis doesn't have a Dirk Nowitzki or Michael Finley or even Walt Williams or Raef Lafrentz or a Chris Webber or Doug Christie or PEJA STOJAKOVIC or a Tony Delk or JR Bremer or Antoine Walker or Walter Mccarty or Derek Fisher or Rick Fox or Robert Horry. All he has is Cuttino........:( And Posey............... :( :( and Eddie Griffin :( :( :( Yao....well. He doesn't have any help.

    That is why we definitely need a shooter. MAN.......our whole team should be made of gunners. All we need is Francis and Yao......and a bunch of sharpshooters. And JUAQUIN HAWKINS just cuz he's my man. :)
     
  7. JBIIRockets

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    I never stated I was comparing this team to those champions. I am talking about the PGs.

    I guess you could say I am looking to the future.

    The Rockets better hope Yao Ming is dominant because the Rockets won't win a title with Francis as the main offensive option. Even if he improves his turnover rate.
     
  8. francis 4 prez

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    i'm trying to figure that out? he's not soft, doesn't have a sweet shot, is more athletic, and isn't a ball hog. he does commit a lot of turnovers though.


    steve makes an above average amt of mistakes. however, he probably handles the ball than almost all other guards. he probably still has a high to amt even taking that into consideration but if you actually factor in offensive responsibilities and amount of time handling the ball i don't think it would look so bad. if the scorekeeper would give parker that damn 2nd turnover they would have the same ast/to ration. and he only shot 38.9%, not exactly 50%. steve shot 53.3%.
     
  9. Dr of Dunk

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    I understand that, JB, but what I was referring to was this quote :

    Francis wouldn't be a scoring-shoot-first PG on those teams. He's be playing 2nd fiddle to some of the greatest players ever. We don't have those type players on this team so SF has been the primary scoring option. Put a Jordan and a Pippen on this team and see if Francis jacks up more than 10 shots a game.

    That's why I'm saying you can't compare those teams to ours. Francis' role on this team has to include scoring because very few others on our team can do it. Look at all the open shots our offense gets. We brick the open shots more often than not because we have no good shooters unless you count Mobley and Rice when they're on.

    I see people griping about leaving opposing players wide open as the other team rotates the ball around the arc. Hell, we do the same thing. The difference is we can't hit a shot to save our lives most of the time.
     
  10. rockyymf

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    I used to think it's all player's fault. Now I blame the coach. His coaching plan and substitution pattern are so predictable and he does not how to decipline the players. As I said before, Rudy relies too much on his player's talent and "mood" on the court. When the guards are hot, we win the game. If one of them is off, we lose by edges. If both of them are in bad mood, we lose big. Where is the coach? What is the coach's adjustment under these situations? The players does not know how to play like a team and move the ball, neither does the coach know how to let them do that. No matter how many good players we draft or trade in, if the coach does not know how to use them, their talent will be wasted.
     
  11. LiTtLeY1521

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    Actually.....if anyone watched Francis. He went inside easily and scored......and never was fouled. His back was hurting like hell though. He just couldn't shoot. But he still shot 53%. It's still amazing. Sometimes.....he makes mistakes. But we have to live with it. Cuz he ain't goin anywhere. Neither is cheap Mobley. That is why we need to surround them with good role players.... :(

    SOMEONE TELL ME.

    WHY DIDN'T WE GET MANU GINOBOLI? And what the heck is Bostjan Nachbar doing? Is this season just a vacation to the United States?
     
  12. francis 4 prez

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    but cuttino is a good defender. if hawk is better, it's only marginal. cuttino's offensive advantage far outweighs any hawk D advantage making that a negative move. start mo t if you want some offense. then just don't bench the entire freakin starting unit at the same time like rudy does and leave one or two of the big 4 (yao, steve, cat, mo t) on the court at the same time. is it getting bad when mo t is part of your big 4?
     
  13. LiTtLeY1521

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    Hell no. It's not bad. Mo Taylor is awesome. He has been doing really good. I would love him.......too bad he didn't grow a couple inches taller...... cuz then he would have been a superman. :(

    I KNOW. God. It's stupid to bench Yao and Steve at the same time...we need at least one in at all time.. :(
     
  14. JBIIRockets

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    Yeah I agree. Posey can't shoot, Morris can't shoot when he plays. Griffin can't even make 8 footers consistently. Moochie misses too many wide-open attempts. Mobley has too many 1-9 games that kill any long-term momentum the Rockets could gather. Rice misses a lot of threes.

    This team needs a role player make-over I guess.
     
  15. LiTtLeY1521

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    Basically........you're agreeing with me too!!!

    God. Terence Morris can shoot. He just doesn't get to play anymore. That's why we are not going to resign Posey. I will be surprised if they do......well not really.......but I won't be surprised when they get JASON KIDD!!!!!!!! Really. We really need a role player makeover. If they actually had a "makeover" :)...they would keep Francis, Yao, probably Mobley, and Mo Taylor. Then they would get all shooters. That's all we need. Bigger than average guys who can shoot and defend AND pass....we would be great..... :(
     
  16. DaDakota

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    It has become a consistent problem for the Rocks to get down by 10 points early.

    They don't come out with any perceivable plan....it is simply chunk it to Yao, or let Francis go one on one.

    Francis is not good enough to beat the legal zones...heck no one is....

    The Rocks need to pass it around. I was listening to WOAI 1200 on the way to pick up some takeout and they were ragging on the Rockets lack of team play.

    The mentioned how EG is just horrible and they felt he has disrupted the team a lot.

    I agree that EG is playing terrible ball, and Rudy needs to bench his a$$, if for no other reason then to show the rest of the team that if you don't hustle you sit.

    Mobley has actually been getting better at not forcing the issue...but Francis still tries to hard.

    Pass the ball boys......the ball moves faster on the pass then the dribble.

    Basketball 101.

    DD
     
  17. LiTtLeY1521

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    I mean.......God. They need to watch some videos or take like Basketball 101. They need to go back to school. Or they should like do something. Rudy has to do something. I think they shouldn't get rest. It's better spent by practicing their shooting and strategy.....but of course....I have no control. :(

    ANYWAYS. Man...the Knicks game was sweet at first because we looked good and focused and aggressive. And we got an early lead. But we just couldn't hold on to it. If we can start out nicely.....we can have a cushion and not be fighting for our lives every game. It's better to start out the game well and controlling the game. That's why GLEN RICE and MO TAYLOR need to start.
     
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    What if Francis had a coach like Hubie Brown?

    Does anybody notice the difference that coaching change has made for Memphis and for Jason Williams specifically?
     
  19. LiTtLeY1521

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    Yeah.............but how many coaches are like Hubie Brown? There aren't many who are 69 years old and who are as good as Hubie Brown. But yeah. You're right. Jason Williams has changed completely. He is very different....in a positive way. But...how the heck will we ever find one like that? Les is not going to fire Rudy. BUT YEAH. STUPID TRADE. TERRIBLE TRADE.
     
  20. Jerry36

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    How come it's not Rudy's fault? Who do you think their going to blame? If the rockets had drafted Ginoboli, we will still be in the same slump. It's the offensive system that is ineffective.
     

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