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Slipping out of the playoffs fast, is it time to panic?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sane, Dec 21, 2003.

  1. codell

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    Then it must really suck for fans like you who want to trade anyone and everyone after every loss. ;)
     
  2. Raven

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    If the Rockets make the playoffs it will be by the smallest of margins, and then we'll have the fun of watching them get pulped in the first round.

    YM probably plays fewer minutes than any other starting all star, and SF is as erratic as ever. CM runs hot and cold, JJ has cooled off, and BN has dropped off the radar screen entirely. Cato remains the only pleasant surprise this season, and that truely is a frightening thought.

    The Rockets are only winning though tough D, or whenever someone on the team gets hot with the outside shooting.

    The Rockets need a major shake up, and no one should be untouchable, not even SF or YM.

    Raven
     
  3. haven

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    No.

    Panic is only appropriate once a new coach has "his players" to fit "his system" and it still doesn't work. I do see that it's time to recognize that the current personnel is inconsistent with the system... and moreover, that the current players don't compliment each other.
     
  4. haven

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    Raven:

    Incidentally, Cato is not a pleasant surprise.

    He's doing what we already knew he could - rebound and play defense. However, his offense is so utterly putrid that it plays right into the hands of other teams trying to make it tough on Yao.

    I think we'd have at least 2 more wins if Cato could hit 10 foot jumpers - a skill every NBA player should have.
     
  5. Sane

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    Nah, Cato is still a surprise. If I had told you that Cato would routinely grab around 10 boards and block 2 shots a game seasons ago, you wouldn't believe me.

    Ofcourse, I always do imagine what it would be like if Cato could hit a 15-footer with ease. Basically, I think Charles Oakley in his prime would be amazing for Yao. Antonio Davis a few years back is pretty good too.


    Anyone else in this mold?
     
  6. Relativist

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    This has been done to death, but Kurt Thomas can hit a mid-range jumper, is in that mold, has an opt-out at the end of the year and is available for a good PG (not Moochie).
     
  7. TheFreak

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    Well, he's averaging 8 boards in 29 minutes a game this year, compared to 7 in 26 minutes two years ago. 6 boards in only 17 minutes a game last year. Where's the surprise? It's surprising that he still starts, I'll give you that.
     
  8. Sane

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    So you're saying that before the season, this is the production you'd expect from Kelvin Cato playing big minutes at PF alongside Yao Ming?


    I'm not saying he's doing great, or doing bad. I'm just saying, it's not expected. I own the Cato bandwagon. I remember what kind of nonsense would be thrown around here about Cato.

    Just for example... Had I said Cato could play PF, grab 8 boards and block 2 shots in 29 minutes, others would say something like:

    "He couldn't stay on the floor that long.."
    "Just because he does it in limited minutes doesn't mean he'll do it consistently"
    "He can't sustain the effort"
    "He'll get injured"


    Cato's play is refreshing and surprising. Is this being disputed?
     
  9. silentfan

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    LOL. We might have been better than them before they got Bonzi, and even that was questionable. Right now, they have better personnel, better bench, and so far a better coach.

    You mean the same team that swept us last season and has already stomped us this year? The same team that has far superior talent on their roster? LOL.


    The Rox won't even MAKE the playoffs, much less get a 6th seed. You must be on some strong hallucinagen.
     
  10. westbury44

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    The rox should tank so we can get Emeka Okafor. Steve can fake an injury. And than evrry1 will realize this was his team bc we lost so many games.
     
  11. haven

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    Sane:

    That's completely assinine.

    You're now equating the "surprise" of Cato with him getting minutes? That's meaningless, as far as Cato goes. What's surprising, is that JVG gives him that many minutes.

    He's done what he already has: above average rebounding and decent defense. Neither statistically, nor intangibly, has he supplied anything more than he did last year.

    He gets more time to be a slightly-above-average defensive but horrible offensive player. That's it.

    Don't give him credit for more minutes... when the coach is only playing him because he's willing to sell his soul to defense.
     
  12. Sane

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    Well first of all, I don't think much of your opinion, but don't have the need to call it assinince. But hey, if that's what will keep you asleep at night, that's fine.

    Second of all, we won't agree on this because we have a difference of opinion, so I really don't see any point in further arguing this with you.
     
  13. haven

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    But it's not a matter of opinion.

    Relevant area of discussion: The value of Cato's contribution.

    Sane's assertion: Cato contributes a surprising amount because he plays more than expected.

    That's meaningless to the relevant topic. Therefore it's assinine. The content value of it is irrelevant to its value to the discussion.

    That's not "opinion:" it's an issue of relevancy.

    If you want to argue "Cato's above-average defense outweighs his complete and total ineptitude on offense," then that's a matter of "opinion" relevant to the discussion. The content of the statement is relevant, regardless of whether it's well-founded. Tell me that, and I won't call your statement assinine. I'll disagree, and "not think much" of it. But that's not what you did.
     
  14. Deuce Rings

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    Yes, but who have we played? More than half our wins have come against the eastern conference and we haven't played many games against the western conference elite (the 4 or 5 teams that everyone knows will be at the top of the standings by the end of the season). The schedule to come is going to be a lot tougher than the schedule played in the first quarter of the season and that is cause for concern.
     
  15. Xenogears

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    The Rox are the Titanic and the iceberg is just ahead!
     
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    The Rockets have played every team on that list with a resulting record of 7-9. The sky isn't falling.
     
  17. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Sorry,

    With the exception of the Lakers and 7-12.
     
  18. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Sorry,

    That record's still not right. 7-10.
     
  19. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    pgabriel, you are shooting 33%. We should start you at PG or PF. :)
     
  20. iOrange

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    I will be very happy if the Rox makes No.8 this year. I don't think the Rox is an underachieving team. Even on paper, our roster is not much more talented than: LAL, SA, SAC, DAL, MIN, POR, PHX and hell, even the Grizzlies.
     

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