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Slam! ranks Hakeem 12th among the 75 All Time Greats...

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  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I would agree with you, but as a conservative you can appreciate this,

    Barkley wasted his talent on drinking, eating an women, not exactly wasted, but didn't take care of himself anywhere near the way Malone did, so he only has himself to blame for the fall off in his ability, compared to Malone.
     
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  2. Fegwu

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    I have no problem with the first 15 but how is Dr. J better than Hakeem? Julius indeed was special but can someone convince me why he is ahead of Hakeem? Is it because of his highlight reels? His 'fro? His image?


    Indeed all time greats can be a very very subjective discuss because different people interprete greatness in varying ways. Some look at stats, others image and hype and some others evaluate the toatl talent package.

    For example Hakeem is definitely more talented than Shaq (as evident in his impressive stats in at least 5 major categories) but is arguably more dominant and hyped.
     
    #22 Fegwu, Mar 6, 2003
  3. heypartner

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    Anyone who puts Oscar Robertson ahead of Magic Johnson and Larry Bird is just looking at stats. That is ridiculous.

    Here's mine:

    1. Jordan
    2a. Magic Johnson
    2b. Larry Bird
    4. Hakeem Olajuwon (Bill Russell's defense with the greatest center moves ever...there's really no question in my mind)
    5. Bill Russell

    btw: That's my starting 5, as well

    6. Wilt Chamberlain
    7. Shaquille O'Neal
    8. Moses Malone
    9. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    10. there's about 5 players I'd put here

    hey, don't argue with me without posting your top 10.
     
    #23 heypartner, Mar 6, 2003
  4. Toast

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    I can't justify putting Shaq in the NBA's all-time top 10, and especially can't imagine why he's higher than Dream.
     
    #24 Toast, Mar 6, 2003
  5. MacBeth

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    Looking again, several other things stand out...How is Webber there? How is Dennis Johnson there but Joe Dumars isn't?...I disagree with Jeff re: Isiah v Stcokton. I think a case could be made either way, but I certainly don't think it's an injustice to rank Isiah higher..I probably would. There was a time when you could have made a serious case for Isiah being the best player in the game..I don't think that could ever have been argued about Stockton. I would say Isah is to Stockton what Hakeem is to Jabbar.... McHale was easily better than Cowens...Drexler is among the more underrated players of all time, and I bet it gets more so as time goes by...Re. Wilkens...I actually think he was among the greatest examples of the super talent who never had the second star to get him over the hump. He is what Michael would have been without Scottie, what T-Mac and Vince might be, although Gooden might change that, and what Kobe would be without Shaq...I;m not sure if he's as all around as most of those guys, but I think it's a disservice to him to forget how much weight he carried by himself for most of his career, and how impossible that has proven to be...If I'm a super talent, he's my greatest fear...Great enough to get your team to be good enough to never get better....Bernard King is a bit in that category too...I am impressed that they remember Aguirre...Rodman is too low...He's the closest the modern game has seen to Russell, in terms of the criteria Russell advocates use for his prestige...And finally, Wilt was better than Michael, end of statement.
     
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  6. Hobbs

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    Isiah and Stockton played against each other, guess who always came out ahead (winning the game and the matchup)? I'll give you a hint, he's now a mediocre coach.

    Two words: Joe Dumars. He was better than a lot of the guys on that list. He just wasn't flashy enough for Slam magazine. Jordan calls him the best defender he ever played against, Shaq said he should have taken his spot on the NBA top 50 back when it was announced.
     
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  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    How about more rings, and better point and rebound stats.
     
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  8. Live

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    Now, ya'll know that 20 years from now, Slam magazine's "I-feel-the-need-to-label-everything-because-of-my-small-..." All-Time Greatest Whatever list will look completely different.

    I betcha Russell or Chamberlain, or both, will either be much lower or totally omitted from that list, as well as several of the men listed now.

    All-Time lists SUCK!! :D
     
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  9. Andy Sheets

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    Because he's the most important player on the team that just won three championships in a row and he does lots of commercials :) Once he retires, I wouldn't be surprised to see some people start ranking him a bit lower, since that's usually what happens once the thrill of actually seeing the guy perform goes away and people step back and start judging more impartially.
     
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  10. Toast

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    How about a 4 game sweep in the 95 finals. How about Shaq himself saying Dream was the best center to play the game. How about winning a championship in 94 surrounded by 11 roll players. How about actually having a shooting touch. How about the NBA's all time shot blocking leader. How about winning the league MVP, finals MVP and defensive player of the year all in the same year.
     
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  11. dischead

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    Hakeem Hater!

    How about a rookie from china who hardly sees the ball being the second best centre to shaq!

    How about Hakeem sweeping Shaq's team in the finals! Murded Robinson in the series before that and beat Ewing the year before that!

    How about Shaq saying Hakeem is better and dusted is butt!
     
    #31 dischead, Mar 6, 2003
  12. pgabriel

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    How about Shaq was only 22, when he wasn't beaten by Hakeem. And you are so right, Drexler is just a role player, that guy definitly wasn't one of the best players in the league.:rolleyes:
     
    #32 pgabriel, Mar 6, 2003
  13. pgabriel

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    What does Yao have to do with this debate. I'm just a realist, only people in this chatroom argue Hakeem is better, no where else.
     
    #33 pgabriel, Mar 6, 2003
  14. Desert Scar

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    That sounds like a description of the Mailman. Barkley played great his trip to the finals, played much better than Pippen did, it was just Micheal Jordan was better.

    Yes Bob, McHale couldn't hold Barkley's jock, imagine what Barkley would have done with Bird and Parrish as his bookend's--probably a few more titles in Red's case.
     
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    Oh, I loved the Doc too, but no doubt in my mind Hakeem was the greater player. Mo Malone and Baylor were probably greater than the Dr. J too.
     
    #35 Desert Scar, Mar 6, 2003
  16. Toast

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    Um, Drexler wasn't on the 94 championship team. How about you already ran out of Shaq praises in 2 sentences, and I can still ramble off reasons Dream is better.
     
    #36 Toast, Mar 6, 2003
  17. pgabriel

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    And your point was Dream beat Shaq straight up, which was in 95 which was your point.
     
    #37 pgabriel, Mar 6, 2003
  18. pgabriel

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    Now I know Hakeem is a lot better than Ewing, but what great player did the Knicks have in 94 besides Ewing.
     
    #38 pgabriel, Mar 6, 2003
  19. Toast

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    I had several different points. Scroll up when you even quoted me. It specifically says 94 championship when Dream was surrounded by 11 roll players.
     
    #39 Toast, Mar 6, 2003
  20. Toast

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    Are you proposing that Ewing be rated higher than Shaq?
     
    #40 Toast, Mar 6, 2003
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