And I'll say this about those that are saying: "OMG can you believe all these guys making a big deal out of this, can you believe these losers" etc. People saying this are the same people who said "OMG how did Trump win the 2016 election?" It's because a) you're a white knight egalitarian and/or b) you're not paying attention
And? Captain Marvel just made over a billion, most marvel movies do. Star Wars The Last Jedi also did extremely well, Rogue One too, both had female leads. What you've provided reveals your faulty logic, you never once considered that those movies failed for other reasons outside of the cast being female or lead by a female. Things aren't as black and white as your mind makes them out to be.
You guys are wrong if you think Hollywood is only about making money and has no role to play in social engineering. Hollywood is not giving the people what they want, so to speak, Hollywood is giving the people something to want. No one wanted a woman as 007, but we got one, and now we have apparently always wanted one. At this point, they know that an ever increasing segment of the population will always go with whatever they want to push. They know they will fight for and consume whatever they put out even if it goes against their own interests. They also know that the opposition is dwindling in absolute or is too weak to speak up. You guys asking, who cares if 007 is a black woman, should try to answer that question for yourself. What purpose does a woman 007 serve? The character is already fantastical as a man, but as a "superman" he is an agglomeration of many men that exist or existed as spies, soldiers, race car drivers, marksmen, etc. Women typically aren't those things. Women spies typically don't get what they need through force, but through sex. I do wonder if they'll put that aspect of women spies in her character. I'm sure you guys will be a-ok with that if they do.
What's happening is that a lot of artists tend to be progressive, this is historically how its always been, and these same people are writing and making movies now. There is a money aspect to it, internationally they want to sell the movie to as many people as possible, but it is also just that people who write are always biased, artists always are, their ideals and beliefs leak into their work, that's how it has always been. It's not some insidious plot to push some liberal agenda, just the coincidence that women are getting more power in hollywood and that most artists of any medium usually are progressive/liberal, you can ask why that is but it certainly is.
I don't know if they all tend to be progressive/liberal or if the people who are handing out these jobs only hire progressive/liberal artists or if they only pretend to be to get work. Either way, I tend to believe that they (movie execs, I guess) are pushing something and that something is meant to cause discord and chaos.
I didn't say all, most do, absolutely most writers (of the fictional nature), musicians, artists tend to be progressive. All of these people, Stan Lee, Stephen King, George Martin, JK Rowling, I mean I could go on, are pretty huge flaming liberals. Here is what Stan Lee, since we are on the topic, had to say about politics in comics... So yeah, the reason the ideology keeps getting pushed is because the people writing it likely believe in it. As for whether the big studios are hiring these people specifically with some...goal to cause discord and chaos? I don't know what you mean by that? What is their ultimate goal and do you have proof of that? Sounds a bit conspiratorial to me.
Casting is done based on demographics.. ie, there are huge AA and hispanic audiences who put all their disposable income towards entertainment, so studios know pandering to them is a way to guarantee large returns. This includes scripts and movies written by white men, but using POC as directors to ensure they will catch the JayGoogle types of fanboys into ensuring "authenticity". A lot of previous demographics with disposable income don't go to the movies anymore, they use other avenues for entertainment.
Directing has nothing to do with the writing or creative process of movies today. Studios know what demographics come to the movies, how much they spend and cast the directors and actors based on that...
The data doesn't back this up. There's a reason "get woke go broke" is a saying. Female Ghostbusters and Ocean's 8 flopped. Other media like TV and videogames have seen similar results. Anytime there is an agenda shoehorned into a piece of media with little or no actual backbone to convey something of value to the consumer, it is rejected soundly. Do media companies try to influence popular culture? Absolutely. Do they often fail and sometimes backfire in spectacular fashion? Almost always.
So much pandering, yet, where are all the hispanic marvel heroes and representation in Hollywood in general? Looks like your logic is a bit flawed here, maybe next time, think a bit on the point you're going to make. Unlike you, I don't care about the race of the director, so yes, it makes no difference to me if JJ Abrams is directing Idris Elba in the next Star Wars film or vice versa or who writes the film or who acts in it, I care little about that. I care about the quality first and foremost. Lol, no. Completely wrong. You have 0 idea how this process works if you think Directors have nothing to do with the writing or creative aspect of movies.
You completely miss the point despite all your "education" based on internet blogs. A director rewriting a few lines has nothing to do with creating epic sagas. All these stories were created by white men, the ones you have so much resentment towards, yet you aggressively go after them and shame them into changing traditional characters to POC demands. Yes it works because of box office demographics, but don't you want more than that? There's nothing stopping you from writing your own saga. Why get so worked up about something someone else wrote? My hope is you can look past race and see stories and talent, like Denzel, Eddie M, and so many other successful POC have done. Bond is 50 years old and outdated, forget about it, use a pen , paper and some imagination to write stories about something other than being a victim.
Projection much? You were the one linking me blogs before lol. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about, sometimes directors write, sometimes they work hand and hand with the writers, sometimes they just direct. You said they had NOTHING to do with the creative process and that's just completely wrong and ignorant. Directing itself is part of the creative process. Who hates white men? Where have I said that or anything insinuating that? Who are you even talking about here? Who is worked up about it? You're creating a fantastical strawman here, nowhere in this thread did I say I cared about anything being black lol. Who started the thread whining about women playing supporting roles in Bond movies? Not me. The irony here is the creative people behind Bond, the writer, director, so on and so forth, decided that there would be a black supporting character and you are whining about it instead of writing your own crap. Not me. I don't care. I've said that over and over again, I don't care. I literally just said that in the last post lol. Your entire post is addressed to someone that doesn't exist in this thread. No one in this thread demanded that Bond be black. Not a single person. I commend your imagination because it was needed to pretend that anyone in this thread made any demands that Bond had to be black or any other series have to be black.
Alright, you've come in here all guns blazing but "do not care", and in another thread we have people saying they won't see a movie if there aren't any black actors + we have studios acknowledging this. You can say what you want on the internet, I do not know your spending habits nor do I need to, but the stats and studios show what demographics are pandered to for the sake of money. My argument is simple, just write your own story instead of being an aggressive SJW. Push for original movies, not 25 reboots with minorities inserted into white roles. There are no excuses as to why someone can't.
What thread was that? I replied to your post, that's all I did, you claimed that I hated white men and that I wanted Bond to be black. My reply was, no and don't care about the race of James Bond. As for this other point of "Pandering" it's always "Pandering" when the cast is anything but white for some people like you. It can't merely be that the best person won the role or that the actor with the biggest draw was cast in that role. It has to be 'Pandering' and not that the actor that deserved the role won the role. That shows your obsession with race, no one else's. Let's reverse this argument then. Game of Thrones pandered, Breaking Bad...pandering...Spide-Man movies? Pandering...all of these things pandered to white people! Of course no one says that, because it's never pandering when the lead is white or the majority of the cast is white, it's only pandering when that isn't the case. (To be clear, I'm not saying that is the opinion in general but it is the opinion of types like you that complain about this sort of thing.) Funny, that's my argument too! Just write your own secret agent story where the lead is explicitly a white male instead of telling others what to do with their stories. No excuses as to why you can't.
Is this possibly much ado about nothing? Well, it is much ado about nothing, but even more so? I admit I haven't read all the Internet stories (some, at a glance) about this subject (possibly because I give about 12.4% of a ****), but James Bond has retired. He's lured out of retirement for a ton of money (oh, wait, that's Daniel Craig). Anyway, he works with the new agent who has his former 00 designation, who happens to be a black female. (Cue mindless blather and froth-mouthed Trumpian white man "feminazi, go back to your own country" rage.) Seems to me they're retiring James Bond and will have a new 007? I'm not sure how a female lead'll turn out (I liked Atomic Blonde, but it was rated R, violent, and practically no one saw it), but they've had 25 Bond movies (27 if you count the original Casino Royale [I don't] and Never Say Never Again), so there's plenty of room for nostalgia. Besides. they'll probably re-boot James Bond in however many years anyway. Jeez. Dachuda and Senator getting paddle-spanked in the Omega Theta Pi fraternity initiation: "THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER!"
Yeah, I skipped right past that when I first read his post, and him listing that alongside Ghostbusters and Oceans 11 basically destroys his own point.
