wuss out = conscientious objectors I think this is terrible. If you join you should be aware of everything that can happen while enlisted. This man is an idiot. Gay or not.
Maybe he's just desperate to try anything to get out of it and so is trying to pull a Corporal Klinger with this gay business. He can't be attracted to young males; he was raised...err...Catholic ok never mind.
Exactly. Like I said, when I was on my way out of the Army, I saw so many people try everything they could think of to get out of the service. I never could understand what guys like him thought they were getting themselves into. I heard countless people b**** and complain because the Drill Sergeants were "mean," and the Drill Sergeants "yelled too much." I mean please, people! How on god's green earth could anyone expect otherwise?? Didn't this guy ever see a war movie? Read a damn book on the subject? Ever watch the news? Play with freaking G.I. Joe???? I saw people take the exact same route as this guy: first claiming one thing to get out, and then another, and then another. I saw a guy take a swing at a Drill Sergeant....all that got him were a bunch of MP's showing up at the barracks to make an arrest for assault. I saw fake injuries, claims of homosexuality (one guy, who I don't believe for one second was gay, tried to kiss another soldier who was getting out for medical reasons like I had to do). This guy and people like him are liars, plain and simple. Crap like this literally makes me want to beat the sh*t out of these guys. There were a handful of almost-soldiers like me who had honest-to-god reasons for getting out. In fact, we were all ORDERED out for having prior injuries that Existed Prior To Service, or EPTS. These babies made it hell for the people who had honest conditions, though I must say that the Drill Sergeants always quickly found out who the 'real' EPTS-ers were. Still though, it just makes me incredibly sad to see people like this guy disgrace our military in such a way. He pisses me off more than the average peace protester. The military was such a huge thing for me. More than yur average job, I knew that this was something I could wake up each and every day and be proud to do without question. The hardest thing I ever had to do was call my family and tell them I was being sent home. It was nearly as hard to get back on this damn BBS and tell you guys about it after I had said my goodbyes. It was hard as hell to tell Treeman as he was instrumental in helping me determine what MOS to go into (artillery, if you want to know). Its hard enough coming to grips with it still. And this guy....oh man, just one swing at this guy is all I want. One swing, because he has everything I ever wanted and he's not only throwing it away, he's pissing all over it as he does it.
rocketman95..... I remember before the war started seeing an anti war person talking about how her son joined the army to get an education.. and now he is supposed to risk his life to get that education.... I wonder how many people do it strictly for the education fully expecting to never have to fight... luckily there are a great deal that do it for the love of the country..
Let me say I belive that the vast majority by far do it for the right reasons..... but the ones that try and get out of it once it starts you have to wonder if they were in it because of the incentives... although im sure it'd be a lot easier to make that money at a regular job than joining the army. thats no cake walk
I remember hearing that same thing during the first Gulf War, especially from those who were reservists (there were a good many reservists called up for that war, a not-insignificant amount were sent to the Gulf. But the thing is, it doesn't matter why you signed up, the purpose of the military is what it is, and the possibilities of having to fight for one's country are always going to be there for those who join the military. If you want an education but don't want there to be any possibility of being called on to fight in whatever way your country requires of you, then find another way to pay for it. I know quite a few people who managed to get an education (either through scholarships, jobs, loans, going to a JuCo for the first freshman and sophomore classes, whatever) without having to join the armed forces. I guess the point is that many of the people complaining are those who really have no one to blame but themselves. The risk that they'd have to fight should've been clear to them. It's the risk one takes when joining the armed forces. If you're not willing to take that risk, don't join, no matter what the benefits to joining are.
If you want an education but don't want there to be any possibility of being called on to fight in whatever way your country requires of you, then find another way to pay for it. Part of the blame lies with the military marketing campaigns & recruiting techniques, which often promote a free education well before discussing the dangers involved, and often target those who couldn't otherwise afford college.
Come on, man. That's like saying, "I only wanted to work for this company for the 401K benefits. I didn't know I'd actually have to do any real work." What is the military to do? Not offer any benefits or incentives to those who join? They offer the most money and benefits to people going into combat arms for a reason: They NEED the smartest people on the battlefield. That's why a person with a college degree can get the most benefits. Anyone who honestly doesn't know that the military's #1 mission is the defense of the nation is too damn stupid to even BE in the military.
Just taking a quick look at the history books will show that we often send troops to fight in far away lands with often only a tenuous connection to national security, at best. In the military, you don't really get to choose which conflicts are right, and everyone should know that going in. And, as far as I know, being a conscientious objector doesn't mean you get to pick and choose which foreigners you'd like to kill (and I'm not saying this guy is claiming that he's only doing this because he's against this particular war).
What he said. And to add further: the military is not a democracy. If it was, all semblance of order and unit cohesiveness would be lost. Like mrpaige said, you don't get to pick and choose your battles in the military. For the sake of your question, Outlaw, I'd like to clarify that in the military, the fundamentals of being a soldier that are taught in basic training/boot camp, are essentially "How to Kill and not get Killed." The training you receive in military protocal and courtesy are directly linked to this training by teaching a soldier to to simply follow orders.
Personally, this makes me sick. But rules are rules, and if he wants out, fine. Could've just failed a couple of PT tests on purpose like everyone else who wants out, and the fact that he didn't makes his motives a little suspect, but... whatever. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, jerkoff.
How can we say that Iraqi troops are responsible for their own actions even if they are just following Sadaam's orders and then absolve our troops of their own personal morality by demanding they follow orders without question?
The short answer is that we can generally trust our leaders and soldiers not to commit atrocities that would warrant such a reaction. I've heard us say that we'll hold Saddam's generals and other higher-ups to those standards, but I doubt PVT Mohammed*, who is getting his family starved and his wife raped and his children shot if he does not fight for Saddam, will be held to the same standards as Chemical Ali. *-->"PVT Mohammed" is used in the same sense where we might say "PVT Joe Smith" to refer to the average, every-day soldier.
"What about you Sargent Eversman, You here to kill some skinnies?" " I'm here to make a difference" - Black Hawk Down I just pray that our troops and leaders learned from those mistakes and that a city battle won't end up in this fashion.
