Third team doesn't change the numbers. The idea is to acquire EG, Not re-route him elsewhere. Philly is over the cap. Rules state they must be within 125%+/-$100k of incoming salary in a trade. If Philly takes EG's $19,568,360 contract in, they have to send out a minimum of $15,554,688. 19,568,360/1.25=15,654,688-100k=15,554,688 Thybulle's contract is $4,379,527. That's $11,175,161short. One would assume Embiid, Harden, Harris & newly acquired Melton are off the table. That leaves the following - Forkmaz $5,000,000 Thybulle $4,379,527 Niang $3,465,000 Maxey $2,726,880 Totaling $15,571,407 The 76ers simply do not have the ability to take on a contract worth $19m .... without gutting the roster. This is a trade made up in the fantasy land of the internet .... It's not happening.
Nice plucking, but this analysis seems anything but objective. Thybulle has a completely broken jumper, and damn near broken confidence. He is currently unplayable in the playoffs, as the Sixers found out. As for Marcus Smart’s jumper, he has made a rare Lowry-esque leap, making your stat-plucking comparison disingenuous at best. Do you know who else is an all-world defensive “star” that is a current NBA FA? Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Morey is going to find it hard to get a biter on a decent future first for Thybulle, because that dude has all his work in front of him, and is frankly running out of time.
Don't forget they brought in House, Tucker and Queen. House and Tucker are going to be rotation players. Queen could earn his way into some minutes. So if they traded 4 players for Gordon being Korkmaz, Springer, thybulle, niang They'd be left with Embid, Harden, Harris, Maxey, Tucker, Gordon, Melton, Shake Milton, as likely rotation players. That's already 8 guys. Then guys like Queen, Bassey, and Joe who could earn some time. Then they'd probably hit the bargain bin for free agents looking to join a contender. There's still a lot of guys out there who could be rotation players and would likely be pretty cheap. I think they could fill out there roster pretty easily after losing the 4 guys mentioned above. I think the hard part would be finding a team willing to give up a first AND being able to basically take in those 4 guys without having to ship unwanted crap to the Rockets.
Forkmaz, Thybulle, Niang & Springer equate to only $14,969,727 leaving you $584,961short as Springer makes $600k less than Maxey. They have one more contract in Shake Milton to add to the Springer group or you swap Springer for Maxey. The issue boils down to "Is EG more valuable than that collection of players which equate to his salary matching" .... I think that's highly questionable / doubtful. Yes, you could scrounge up some help in the vet min market ..... Then finding a team to take at least two of those players as the Rockets have 18 roster spots used and then paying them to go away .....
I think this is a classic case of Morey using the rockets to tell the NBA Thybull is for sale and the Rockets using the Sixers to tell the league EG is for sale. Morey also seems to be using the Kyrie situation to tell the league Tobias Harris is for sale. All these For Sale signs though seem to be pretty dang obvious. Although with EG Morey could be trying to get a steal and just wear down Stone until he accepts a couple 2nd round picks for him. For a lot of these deals though I think the league is now on hold waiting for the Durant trade. It’s crazy how all the Woj bombs just halted.
EG for Thybulle+ makes a lot of sense for all involved, hopefully it gets done soon. I’ll be rooting for the Philly Rockets to come out of the East
true legit point. because he can't shoot he has to sit in the playoffs. but what if he develops a good catch- and- shoot 3-ball? (he eventually will, they SDK finally do) then he's worth $25 million a year and he's a likely starter/ 6th manon a contender in the playoffs. the key with thybulle is what extension is here agreeable to? a tate type extension (2-20) could turn into a value contract with just a little improvement in his catch- and- shoot.
Do not think it is questionable/doubtful at all that EGo better than Korkmaz, Thybulle, Springer, Niang and Shake combined. EGo is a proven postseason commodity - switchable 2 way microwave scorer. But Maxey not going anywhere. Embiid/Bassey/Michael Foster Jr or Filip Petrusev Tobias/Reed/Champagnie Tucker/House/Queen Harden/Melton/Joe Maxey/EGo I for one would not mind getting Paul Reed or Charles Bassey as part of EGo return.
Smart had almost 3x as many attempts, and his attempts were more often off the dribble. Thybulle only shoots 3s when he is so wide open that he absolutely has to shoot them. There is a difference. Plus, Smart had a much better all-around game. I think we can get away with having one non-shooter on the court* so I am not against having him, but I wouldn't just hand wave away his well-known terrible shooting. *This works in the regular season; not so much in the playoffs... but since we're several years away from even trying to win in the playoffs, I guess it doesn't matter.
the shots are a cruel joke. young healthy athletes don't die from covid. the shots don't prevent covid spreading. natural immunity is better than shot immunity. yet age 18-45 deaths have spiked to ridiculous unheard levels because of fentanyl, which none of the big cities nor the feds nor the nba are doing anything about. they're all actually tacitly supporting fentanyl overdoses by supporting open borders. that's where the fentanyl comes from. the shot issue isn't going away. no one knows the long- term effects to reproductive capacity. and some young men like isaac, kyrie, matisse actually want to be fathers with healthy children. they are the more wise ones. even lebron is fessing up that the vaccines are a joke because he's wanting kyrie on his team, even though he knows kyrie ain't getting vax'd. the players' bodies belong to them just like a womans body belongs to her. matisse isn't stupid. implying he is only shows your own stupidity.
Typically at this point, I would stop responding as engaging takes time away from more important things in real life. Don't take any of this personally as I'm not posting to change anyone's mind, very few people publically are willing to change their minds with evidence. But I'll flesh out the debate for the readers of Clutchfans so they can see everything and think for themselves. Who actually backed up their points with facts? So this is again subjective opinion and feelings on the matter and one has a right to it. But there isn't any substance backing up the opinion. But I'll be glad to agree with some points I do think are valid to be fair. The current goal of this team is development, likely we're not heading to the playoffs for a couple of years. This helps us develop and teach the guys on the defensive side of the ball, not just offense. I agree Thybulle's jumper needs work and that is why I would like to develop it in Houston. Philly fans although passionate can be very impatient with players. Here is an example of Thybulle's jumpers, you can tell his form definitely needs work to be balanced: But context is key in development, Thybulle has been in the league only a few years and hasn't been able to focus on shooting improvement with league coaches before this offseason: Philadelphia Inquirer: How will Thybulle be remembered as a Sixer if he’s traded this summer? "Right now, it’s easy to think back to his being often left open for shots, especially in the playoffs, while his defender roamed around or double-teamed another player. Thybulle, however, was never able to focus on improving his offensive game before this offseason. He couldn’t work out during the pandemic lockdown following his rookie season. Then he spent last summer with the Australian men’s basketball team, winning a bronze medal in the Tokyo Olympics. This summer, he’s been working with the Sixers skills development coaches even though the team is trying to trade him. Thybulle’s determined to improve. As my colleague Marcus Hayes points out, Thybulle has shot 32.4% from three in his first three seasons. Hall of Famer Jason Kidd made just 32.3% of his threes during his first three campaigns and didn’t make an All-Defensive team until his fifth season. No one’s saying Thybulle is on Kidd’s level, but it illustrates that proficient shooting develops over time."
As for the other points, Kyle Lowry made a major jump in his shooting after four years in the league. Smart (known as a terrible shooter early) also improved his shooting with years and patience. Lowry's percentages were worse than Thybulle's, but with patience, you can let a player develop and they improve. Kyle's biggest improvement came with a change of scenery from Houston to Toronto. Thybulle will have a change of scenery with us. Kyle Lowry 3PT Improvement Over Years: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html Thybulle is both a better defensive player than Gilchrist ever was and a better shooter, which numbers and film back up. Here is Ben Taylor of Thinking Basketball on his defense trying to find a comparison historically. He uses shades of different all-time great defensive players, Moncrief, AK, Marion, but they settle in with early 90s Michael Jordan's defensive energy.
Thybulle is a defensive specialist, would not expect him to start. Not until or unless he sharpens up that 3ball. Until then he would improve defensive communication, efficiency and disruptions as a key rotation player. Not to mention improving Green and KPJ by defending them in practice.
