The game was already won. All he had to do was throw it away or take a freaking knee. I said it was rare -- and it is extremely rare. Of all the team sports, football is the most extreme with regards to a team effort. But the game was in hand, and Sage gave it away. You're just wrong. That is all.
yeah, but are they in position to win the game without sage rosenfels? remember - he stepped-in morning of after no preparation or first team work that week. i'm kind of with DonnyMost: it's time to move on...
There is really no logical end to that "if" game. Schaub's performance the rest of the season indicates that they *likely* are in a position to have that game in hand--but regardless of who the QB was, the entire team had themselves in that position. One man gave it away. All by himself. What does "moving on" have to do with it? One can hold an opinion regardless of whether he has "moved on". It's certainly in the past. I wish Sage the best; he did a fantastic job here outside of that one disaster. I'm not even the one who brought it up! Go Texans.
...and given Schaub's performance the rest of the year, odds are he would have, too. The *team* built that lead. Sage gave it away. I don't follow what you mean. Schaub did not play in that game; how does it make him any better or worse? Take that game away, and the Texans are 8-7. Take that game away, and Rosenfels has a very successful career as a Texan with no black marks.
It was not "all by himself". That's ridiculous. How about the lack of pass protection that allowed him to be hit from the backside and the ball to be stripped on the second fumble? How about the defense that gave up the touchdown (albeit on a short field) after that fumble? Sure, Sage did a piss-poor job of protecting the ball. Sure, the defense can't be expected to stop the Colts on a short field under those circumstances. But it's not like Sage just dropped the ball or threw it up for grabs.
Hold it, I finally got it. "Take that game away from Sage, and Schaub is not much better [than Sage]." Conceded. In fact, the Vikings agree with you. But the game *did* happen, and it *is* a part of Sage's body of work. And, poor decision-making and trying to do too much were already part of Sage's reputation when he arrived here, so it was an extreme example of "par for the course" for him.
I would agree with all of this. Hopefully, this season's schedule will help us get off to a good start without having to play catch-up all year from a 1-4 start like we did last year. I think this is the season we stop excusing Okoye's play because of his age. This is his 3rd year. Mario made the Pro Bowl his 3rd year. Okoye needs to make a name for himself. Not by getting 20 sacks, but just doing a better job of clogging things up in the middle. I would put the Red Zone offense at the #1 reason we were 8-8 instead of 10-6 last year. Everything about it was bad. Playcalling, execution, everything. It got to the point where we would get inside the 20 and I started pulling for us to just kick the FG on 1st down to avoid screwing it up. Can't have that this year.
He put the ball on the ground twice. A third time he threw it right into the arms of a defender, all in the space of like 120 seconds. He was not hit from the backside. He wasn't even hit! He was rolling out to his left, and he had the ball BEHIND HIM! The ball was swatted away. Dude, we learned that in freaking peewee leagues. Pass protections break down all the time; but you rarely see a QB running with the ball BEHIND HIM on a freaking silver platter so a guy can swat it away without even hitting him. Pathetic. Who put the defense in that position? Thank you. Yes, it's "like" it. In fact, that is *precisely* what he did.
I'm just wrong? Strong, compelling argument you have there. You hear that guys? Well eff me. I'm just *wrong*! Thank god these kneejerkin' folks aren't in any way in charge of the Texans...
Thanks, I have made a very strong and compelling argument indeed. You just haven't referenced any of it, and chosen to only quote this part. Funny thing is, I knew that's what you would do. I put that there in response your "That is weak." I genuinely hold my opinion, regardless of whether you think it's "weak". Don't look now, but Mr. Rosenfels is no longer a Texan.... (spoken tongue-in-cheek; I'm sure the onus for this move had nothing to do with the game in question!)
And I'm probably to blame; I should have let Donny's post slide by. I will not change my opinion. He singlehandedly lost a team game. An extremely rare and infamous achievement. But that's all I've ever said. He did not: -- cost the Texans the playoffs -- cause the economic collapse -- create the swine flu epidemic -- cost the Rox the 2 seed in the west
Well you acted as if you didn't know why they did it, or at least you didn't hint at it. Figured I would be nice and explain it. But I guess that would be rude of me, somehow.
I assume they moved him for the draft pick. If there are other factors, do share (I don't say that combatively at all).
Sage's contract ends next year. It was unlikely the Texans could resign him. Plus his value was at an all-time high (say what you want about the 'copter, but there were other teams who would kill to have him). So it made sense to trade him for picks before letting him walk away without getting anything for him. Minnesota was a good choice, as it is a different conference, too. So the 'copter can't come back and bite us in the ass
Thanks; I had forgotten about the contract. And I agree with you about his value; the stupid decisions are trainable.
I'm not going to get into Sage vs Colts anymore after this post, since it's obvious your set on the fact he is 100% the reason we lost that game. All I'm saying is there was more to it than that...you can say he's 90%, 95% at fault, I don't care, but it wasn't single-handedly his fault. - He had the ball behind him on the fumble, because as a lot of quarterbacks do when rolling to the left, they have the ball ready to throw if they are about to throw it. I'm not excusing him for not protecting the ball, but I know what he was trying to do. - The interception was in desperation (and on 4th down if I'm not mistaken). It was either throw up a prayer, or take a sack. - I should've been more clear on my last sentence. "It's not like Sage dropped the ball on purpose" is what it should've read. That would be "giving the game away."
