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Six Imams Kicked off US Air Flight

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sishir Chang, Nov 21, 2006.

  1. NewYorker

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    Then you are free to live in ignorance. It's not my problem you aren't humble enough to be interested in new ideas and easily willing to dismiss something in order to feed your ego. Too bad for you.
     
  2. NewYorker

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    You are claiming I can't be Indian which is mocking my race and offensive to me. Again. I would rather you just not post anything to me.
     
  3. Ottomaton

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    I wonder if you understand the concept of irony?
     
  4. jo mama

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    all i am claiming is that you lied about your race in order to defend senator macaca. "im indian and its not offensive to me so it shouldnt be offensive to anyone". i dont see how mocking you for lying is offensive to your race. if anything, i was offended that you lied about being indian in order to defend racist comments by a public official.
     
  5. NewYorker

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    I'm thinking the same thing about you. Comparing Descartes Error to the Physics of Startrek is pretty haughty in my opinion.

    Just because I don't know the magnetic fields generates or electrical pulse types doesn't mean i need to get down to the microlevel to understand the behavior outputs. While you may know more about neurophysics or chemistry, I doubt from your statements you have a true grasp of the implications.
     
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    And since I am Indian, clearly those statements were not a lie. Or is that too hard to understand?
     
  7. jo mama

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    so you were lying when after you said you were indian you than said you were lying and that you were really white?

    either way, it doesnt matter what your race really is. its just sad that you tried to use it to justify racial slurs made by public officials.
     
  8. NewYorker

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    Just let it go - think what you want. I'm tired of this whole thing. Yes, I am Indian. When everyone started saying I must be a whitey or saying I must hate my race or whatever, I got mad and said fine - I'm white just to get people to leave me alone. But they kept comin - you kept coming...when all I wanted was it to end. I should have just left the board for a few days.

    But I'm tired. I just want to debate the issues - nothing else. So let it be, ok?
     
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    Many of the posters in the D&D have been around for some time, so if I lie -- or allegedly lied -- or continuously contradict myself on a given topic -- as you are notorious for -- a few days away from the D&D won't change anything.

    Look, I don't have a problem with you, but you shouldn't purposely misrepresent your position on issues just to 'test' people or for whatever other purpose you deem fit -- i.e. getting a kick out of it or just to be a smart arse.

    Your reputation sticks with you, hypocrisy sticks with you, and if people assume something about you based on some of the things you've posted around here, it will stick. That's just the way it is...

    Sorry, but I noticed that this is not the first time you have mentioned taking a 'moratorium' of sorts to try and evade whatever reputation you've earned around here. I felt compelled to reply to your post and let you know that it won't work. If I am not mistaken, you've already tried it once...
     
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  11. NewYorker

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    Thanks for your interest and the concern. I also appreciate the lecture disguising your attacks. Very clever - I give you an 'A' for effort.

    I suggest you worry about yourself and stick to the debate at hand. Whatever my reputation is, so be it. I find it amusing that so many people concern themselves with who I am....it's quite flattering thank you, but I find it getting a bit tiring and not interesting.
     
  12. NewYorker

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    Hate this board? Then change it!
     
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    Not trying to be clever at all, just blunt.

    Fine, just don't think that taking a year-long hiatus will change things around here, that's all I am trying to point out.

    But you're right, it's none of my concern, I will stick to the topic.
     
  14. Sishir Chang

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    I know a little about Jung and have read some of his stuff but am not familiar with the others. Jung's stuff is interesting but I don't think that it totally supports an almost infalliable intuittion that is hardwired into humans.

    I believe that there is such a thing as intuition and instinct but its difficult to separate that from cultural and experiential biases. Anyway getting back to the situation mentioned in this thread is there anyway that you can prove that the passengers and flight crew weren't operating on perceived biases? I think given the amount of fear and media attention surrounding terrorism and Islam it is far more likely these people were influenced by cultural bias. Anyway even if buying the idea that there is an almost infalliable gut since the Imans were not a threat at all shows that such a gut is far from infalliable.
     
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    How does Rule001 saying he is white indicate he hate's the board or what to change it? :confused:

    Also The Physics of Star Trek is a pretty good intro to physics. Its not a textbook but generally pretty good.
     
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    I see what you are saying - but if fear is so pervasive then I would expect more of these incidents being reported. But out of the 100's of thousands of flights every day, this kind of thing happens what - once a month?

    Thousands of muslims fly every day without incident. So the question has to be asked - why does it happen in a few rare instances and not in other. Surely the people who said something have been on flights with Muslims or Muslim "looking" passengers before.

    To me, it implies that there is something else going on...and while it may be easy to dismiss what happened as paranoia and discrimination....I will withhold judgement and remain open to other possibilities. No doubt that fear may indeed be the cause...and if it turned out that those passengers were acting irrationally - then it wouldn't surprise me.

    But it wouldn't surprise me if they were justified either. Maybe these guys were not a threat on this particular flight. But maybe they were involved with something, or maybe their faces betrayed hate towards those around them...and the passengers picked up on this in their faces and that is what they were reacting to.

    We will never know. The passenger themselves may never even know. Their brains aren't programmed to always give rational reason...just to avoid danger.

    The only facts we know is that the Imams were asked to deboard and were not allowed to fly on a later flight. So apparently the airline had issues with these guys as well. Odd don't you think?

    Before we condemn the airline, let's just recognize the possibility that something happened that would make the airline not invite them to fly on a later flight - a big thing as no airliner wants to infuriate any kind of ethnic group at the risk of getting bad publicity.
     
  17. NewYorker

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    Read his sig.

    Is it? I thought Star Trek was a joke. I actually got my B.A. in Physics...but I couldn't go beyond that. Too many headaches and late nights on the verge of insanity. I find advertising and marketing so much easier - thus my interest in neuroscience and such. But if you're going to be a marketing strategist, you have to understand how people attach themselves to brands - so I've studied a lot of psychology and behavioral science on my own.

    I think if I were to go back to school or had to do it over, I would have also gotten a degree human behavior and tried to understand intuition more. I have to say...personally - I can seperate out my ego and superego, as well as the id and see where my fears come from...and really get to what my gut is telling me - that is...what i intuitively think while stripping away my biases. I can tell because when i go against it i get that funny feeling that something i can't quite put my finger on isn't right. And sure enough, it never fails that something comes out of it.
     
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    Are you sure you can seperate your ego, New Yorker? ;)
     
  19. Sishir Chang

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    I don't know what the statistics are but I believe there is evidence of undue scrutiny towards Muslims on flights or people who are thought to be Muslims. Many of these don't make national news but the fact that there is a term "Flying while Muslim" shows that such situations have happened quite a few times.
    Again we can't know what was in the passengers head exactly but given the amount of media attention on Muslims and terrorisms it seems far more likely they were acting of a cultural bias that influenced their fear.
    This is rampant speculation. Is there any evidence that you know of that the Imans were or continue to represent a threat? Do you have any evidence that their faces displayed hate towards the other passengers?

    And in this case instinct, gut or whatever was driving the passengers was wrong. It isn't the 95% perfect threat detector you make it out to be.

    Indeed odd yet Northwest had no problem flying these guys nor the FBI clearing them of a threat.
     
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    Whoops! My bad I missed it.
     

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