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Silas Improving….

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Imanimal, Feb 15, 2022.

  1. Imanimal

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    If JVG were here we definitely wouldn’t be years away from competing. Here would be his starting lineup: Wall, Schroder, Tate, Sengun, Wood. Bench: Gordon, Green, KMJ, Christopher, & KPJ.
    That team competes for a playoff spot ASAP!!!
     
  2. ApacheWarrior

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    But Imanimal, management is thinking long term.

    Not short term satisfaction.

    The money will come as Green, Porter and Sengun build their fanbase
    and become bigger than The Beatles...or Menudo ever was.

    Like a cannon ball. Lol
     
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  3. AlperenSengun

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    no, everybody is aware is success is far away, even in the good scenario. People want to see a sign that people in charge know what they are doing. We want to see something that shows the team is actually practicing. Even if you lose by 50, you want to see, there is actually something the team is trying to do, maybe a couple minutes of good basketball. It is not a matter of losing or winning.

    If you want to justify this shitshow, you say ‘we play Wood to showcase him’. When that fails you go ‘if vets don’t play we’ll lose by 60’. But the problem is not winning or losing. That’s how you frame it, just to be able to give an answer to it. And even in that case the answer is quite bad. Losing this way is very very bad. Oh, than you have ‘we need to tank’ in your bag, which contradicts with not playing the rooks anyway.
     
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  4. Salvy

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    I don't know what Harden and Westbrook would have done with JVG, no one does... We can speculate all day based on the player and their tendencies but we still don't know and never will.

    What I'm saying is, JVG interviewed for the job so he had some interest and regardless of if Harden would have left JVG is still 10000000x better than Silas in every single department except losing. Maybe JVG quits once Harden leaves, I still rather take that chance over hiring Silas or Lucas... I can't expect any coach to win with Houston's roster. But I would sure love to have a capable coach with a slight clue on rotations and minute management for the young core we absolutely need to work out. Green, Sengun and JC.... These guys right here should be the absolute main priority, these guys can't be left to a "I hope they workout"... They have to, you have to invest and put the absolute most work and attention to playing these guys and developing these guys. Silas is currently doing the opposite. Maybe its wishful thinking JVG would have these guys playing better, but I am 100% sure it would not be worst....
     
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  5. ApacheWarrior

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    I've seen plays run last season using Olynyk as the hub of the offense last season.

    Then I've seen the Rockets use 3 plays and go down to ground level which is where two raw
    facilitators "on the job training's level was to start
    the first week of the season.

    Now I'm seeing plays run. Are they flawless? No

    Do the players make mistakes? Yes

    What solves that? Repetitions.
    ____________
    But the young kids getting all the reps and losing
    by 60 points each night can traumatize and destroy their mental makeup for years to come.
    Not to mention make them look like greater laughing stocks than they are now.

    If you can't see improvement from last year to
    earlier this season to now.....then that's on you.
    Maybe you should open your eyes more and your
    mouth less. You might see things clearer?
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Silas is an ass coach just like his dad......he won't ever win a single thing......just too passive.

    DD
     
  7. ApacheWarrior

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    Just messing you you Alp Sengun
     
  8. ApacheWarrior

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    No hard to figure out what Westbrook, Tucker and Harden would have done...

    bailed out on the team and demand be traded.

    I posted how both Harden and Tucker were DRtg's of 120. They tanking this team
    on the defensive end. Harden since has said wearing the fat-suit was bad. That he
    acted silly in those final days in Houston. Regrets. But he got the outcome he wanted.

    You think someone like Harden is going who has had no one telling
    him what to do is going to take the JVG tough guy disciplinary
    style just fine? Then you know nothing of human nature
    and kids. Which is the way Harden acts.
     
  9. Salvy

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    I never said Harden would, never said Harden would have stayed... Everything could have played out exactly the same way but having JVG on board as the HC if JVG would have not walked out when Harden did is a chance worth taking for the benefit of the young guys that we desperately need to not just be rotational or decent. We need them to be great, they may not be but right now I feel way way way better with JVG developing them vs Silas...
     
  10. Xopher

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    I don't care if we lose this season, but if we are going to lose even playing the vets, then why aren't the youngsters getting 90% of the minutes? This is a development season and although I am seeing some development, I am not seeing nearly enough. Silas gets an F-
     
  11. ApacheWarrior

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    Sure if you're paying JVG contract.

    I've gone over this many times, D'Antoni was offered $2.5 million base
    salary with incentives of 1) making the playoffs and 2) still being with the team.

    The incentives would have brought the D'Antoni salary roughly to $5 million.
    This comes from his agent. They (D'Antoni/agent) felt that the Rockets
    could terminate D'Antoni at any time during the season and save $2.5 million.

    So that was a no--go. And you think Jeff Van Gundy would have left
    his highly paid commentary job for all this work and stress for peanuts.
    Sorry, but you know nothing about coaches in the NBA. Period.

    I can link the D'Antoni agent article again (for the 5th time this season) if you like.
    It's easy to Google. Rockets claim they offered $5 million straight up....but why
    leave at $5 million? Is D'Antoni making more now as a consultant. Then sign JVG up
    as a consultant (says JVG and his posse)
     
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  12. CVcrew

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    I’d be focused on a coach who has a proven track record of growing young talent. Who is that though? Maybe Toronto’s HC? Pop (don’t like him). Who else is out there. Ironically Bickerstaff is doing well in Cleveland. Do you grab a college coach? I don’t know who the answer is.

    I can’t recall JVG growing any rookies, nor Adelman, nor milk hair. Last coach I recall growing young talent for this franchise was Rudy. Cassell, Horry, Rhodes as a defender, Livingston serviceable, Harrington, Kenny Thomas. Really drops off after Rudy. I suppose you could argue JVG grew Ming but who else was a young contributor he turned into a solid rotational piece? I would also argue most coaches would have grown Ming.
     
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  13. ApacheWarrior

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    Exactly, Nick Nurse struck gold with Kawhi Leonard, Gasol/Valancunias, Lowry, Siakim

    @D-rock and I talked about it then. I said M Abdelfattah and rock said M Brase.
    I'm guessing Brase, "said no thank you."

    Believe or not Silas had a reputation as a player development guy.
    Easy to Google prior to his hire. I did, and read nothing but good
    comments of Doncic and others praising Silas. Calling him a
    great coach and skill developer.

    So who is the next Silas that we hire? That's why I say just stick with the devil
    we know. The next might be worse? Bickerstaff was worse than Silas while here
    in Houston, imo.
     
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  14. D-rock

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    Harden wanted Doc Rivers.

    Failing that he liked Lucas.

    Harden did not feel like being part of a rebuild, which is what Silas hire felt like to him.
     
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    I wanted to give Silas a chance, you know that.

    But I've seen nothing in last 2 seasons to confirm any of the optimism that I originally had about him.

    He is neither an offensive genius or even a competent defensive coach.

    He is in over his head, and that's coming from someone who supported his hire.

    I was completely wrong.
     
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    He was a rookie coach....... you know that you would not get too attached to a rookie coach.
     
  17. ApacheWarrior

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    Wasn't it Ty Lue?
    Ty Lue was not going to happen as I remember him looking for $9 million a season.

    That $9 million was reported because he turned down moving up to head coach of the
    Lakers at $18 million over two seasons prior to joining Doc and Clippers.

    I believe he settled for $7 million to stay with
    the Clippers. But if you think Tilman was going to pay Lue $7 million,
    then I have a bridge to sell you. It's one in the "Golden State"
     
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  18. daywalker02

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    He makes a good employee, just not made for highly competitive sports.
     
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  19. D-rock

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    Yep.

    Harden preferred ALL THREE over Silas.

    And Harden was not on board with the Stone promotion either.

    Neither was Westbrook.
     
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  20. MystikArkitect

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    Here's to hoping Silas can open up a barbecue joint in the 3rd Ward and coach the UH basketball team some day.
     
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