Sounds like you had an HMO which is a prvt version of the NHS. I have a PPO which allows me to go whoever I want to just with less coverage. Also PPO plans allow you to go to specialists directly for instance an eye surgeon
Some very intelligent people self-destruct because their health and well-being often requires them to forget how intelligent they are and to instead spend all day sitting in a cubicle looking at a computer screen, a life that is best suited to a person of average intelligence. Putting a highly intelligent person in this environment is like stuffing a whale in a fishbowl and then telling him to swim. Some very intelligent people are born poor and slowly beaten into submission in an environment that consistently attaches their self-worth to how much capital they've accumulated. Some maintain a sense of self long enough to figure this out, but many are so thoroughly beaten down as children that they never get back up. In the old-days of the circus, baby elephants were tethered to a stake pounded in the ground with a rope tied to it. They struggled, but didn't have the strength to pull up the stake. When they grew older they had more than enough strength to pull the stake up - but they never tried. Since you didn't bother responding to any of the points in my post, I'll just assume you would prefer to believe in a system that benefits you personally than to actually consider the damage it's doing, and has done, to our prospects of a better world.
I was on a PPO. I eventually had a $2000 eye surgery and I paid 10%. And the funny thing is that it didn't solve the damn problem. That one instance was when I was in intense pain, and I didn't want to drive 35 miles to my school's clinic. If I went to one of their docs outside the 50 mile radius, they pay. The point of the story is that not everyone can be on a PPO....
After all this - at least you now admit where you stand. Or wait, are you just postulating a position, without really meaning that you actually think what you are saying, as par your usual baloney? You really are a NewYorker clone.
Sorry- Idid not hear anyone say you need to sacrifice anything-are you talking about the level of service dropping if health care is reformed? I pay a hell of a lot of taxes to the government-and have for years-I do not need anything from the government-I pay - I do not ride free. I have worked long hours, have apublic education I paid for-no student loans, and never have drawn unemployment. I paid for my parents needs when they got old and I still help my kids.I have very good insurance- a PPO with Humana. I hate what the health care system has become...... I wanted to participate in a wellness screening at St. Lukes for cardio. Part of the body scan would go into my medical file that my inusrance company could review and have free access to. Friends & family advised against it - as I am 50 and they thought I might be subject to rate increase or lose privileges if a problem arose. I eat right- do not drink, quit smoking 10 years ago, not overweight, and try to manage my stress. I want to know if I become diabetic or have any circulatory blockage. I will pay for it one way or the other. I have the means- my heart worries for those who do not. The rug could be pulled out from under me at any time. My wife had an endoscopy-done - 2 hour procedure-outpatient. The hospital billed Humana 17,000.00-How much does the hospital need to make????? This is wrong and immoral- do we pay for the machine again every day? You should get of your high horse-I am as free market as anyone and I see problems with health care costs....
Yes; but, just like Farenheit, largely because it's summer, and everything else at the megamultiplex is predictable crap.
Just finish watching it, it was unreal. British hospitals not only doesn't collect any bills, but they PAYS for your transportation to the hospital!!!! OMFG!!!!!!!!
If the movie doesn't discuss all of the problems with the NHS in Britain (and I expect it doesn't) then it is not giving you any sort of fair picture. Imagine the worst stories that you can think of from the 90's about HMO's judging every treatment based on cost as much as medical need and multiply by 100x. Imagine having to wait two months to get an MRI to treat a problem. I’m sure it has changed in the interregnum, but just about the point where it became expected that every American hospital would have an MRI (mid 90’s?) there was a point at which there were something like 3 MRI machines in all of Great Brittan. People often get older drugs that don’t work as well because they are cheaper by half than the modern effective medicines. Seriously, as much as people used to freak out about bureaucratic, penny-pinching HMO's, they would not be happy with a transplant of the British system. The same holds true (I think to a much lesser degree) with Canada, where people joke about a two tiered health system - the national system as the basic service, and coming to America for the top tier.
At least they have a basic service. If you are a middle class and you got denied of health insurance, wouldn't you rather to have something than nothing at all? It really brought tear into my eyes when I saw the part where a hosipetal dumped some old woman on to a rescue mission curve. I beg the critics of this movie at least watch it. If you don't feel that you should pay Michael Moore for this movie since you don't believe in it, download it and watch it. Just watch it and then tell us how you feel.
Any national health care system modeled off of the UK is idiotic. All those systems did was create two tiers. A piece of garbage for the poor and middle class and a privileged elite system for the rich. And its not just the rationing problem. Republicans like to cry about big government but this is one case where they're spot on. We hear all these stories about medicare fraud, mismanagement, corruption, etc.. in Medicare and Medicaid. Now multiply that thousands of times over and you get a National health insurance system that's guaranteed to be filled with an incompetent, expensive, and fraudulent bureaucracy. It's just so difficult to manage a system like this and do so efficiently. And another problem is politics. The moment you introduce a system like this, every politican (democrat and republican) will use it as a way to appease voters. They'll conveniently raise and lower the budget, add entitlement programs, add quirky side programs that supposedly help people, etc... and all of those programs will be gimmicks designed to buy votes. The interest of the people won't be served by those either. A compromise of some sorts is an absolute necessity. The status quo isn't working either. I don't know enough about this stuff but a full blown NHI isn't the answer. I think that douchebag from Massachusetts, Mitt Romney, might actually have gotten the best solution to date. His proposal makes health insurance mandatory for all people. Those who can't afford it, are subsidized by the government, depending on their income level. (the subsidies are scaled) It's worked fairly well so far from what I've read. Also, I think running these types of programs through the states is more efficient. Less people to manage means less bureaucracy.
Some do a ****load of drugs in high school and go to jail, flunk out, or kill themselves. I'm sorry but I don;t believe in your gattaca crap.
So you saw 17K and thought its to much? Those machines are not free! You want to use the machine and not pay for it? I am about to go have an MRI done. This will probably cost about 1800 total of which i need to pay around 200. WOW thats alot. If I will not have knee pain after my surgery then its totally worth it to me.
Denied for health reasons? Oh ok now here is a good issue. How about if you can show the .gov 2 denial letters based on health reasons they will cover you for the same rate say, Aetna would if you were in good health? After all if these people are as you say middle class they can certainly afford that. And then require your job to chip in just as they would if you had been accepted. After all its all the same to your employer. Being denied for health reasons is not the issue. The issue is giving to the poor by taking from the middle class. The rich won't give a crap. As far as the film goes, terrible crap happens every minute in this world. I wish we lived in a land of lollypops and candy canes but the world is crap.
I did not say I did not want to pay for it. I pay my way.....My health insurance through work costs me $ 1749.00 per month. It insures me, my wife and my son. I have used it once in the last year for a doctor visit when my sinuses were really bad- I paid the copay-$ 35.00-my insurance company was out an additional $43.00 for a total cost of $78.00 + their admin cost. I did not buy any meds through insurance and purchased my own Dayquil over the counter. So pretty much self reliant don't you think? My wife has Rheumatoid arthritis- she did not get this from lifestyle choices, drug use, alchoholism, bad diet, or not eating right. my portion of the insurance cost is only 50.00 less than hers...... So that $17,000 they charge for the machine - the hospital made money-they should make money- but how much? That is a value judgement I paid for an MRI for an employee to have for a sore back injury- the MRI lab asked if was going to be charged as a workman's compensation insurance case- (this cost woruld be $5,800.00)when I told them I was paying for it out of my pocket-cash - they charged $ 1,500.00. Casey - I am all for free market- but this does not work. The health care industry over charges- the insurance companies are extremely expensive- and by my example for the MRI cost- do not do due diligence in auditing charges....These two forces in health care will force government regulation because they are irresponsible. Insurance and health care providers will bring this on themselves...I hate the government getting involved in anything- because they will make it less efficient-and much more complicated I shop for insurance and my wife has a pre existing condidition -the Rheumatoid arthritis. We pay her rheumatologist cash, buy her meds cash-I need the insurance for major medical in case one of us needs an operation or gets hit by a bus...... Get off that high horse sir
I'm not the one on a high horse man. And I think you need to dump your insurence and just get the cheapest one you can. They have plans that do not cover Pre Exist conditions so that would not be a prob. Why would you get "very good insurance- a PPO with Humana" if you : seriously get the cheapest HMO you can get if your current plan has you paying out of pocket most of the time.
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whats your problem guy? seriously? what do you want to know? ask me for christ sakes. rather your content with being an insult throwing a-hole thats unable to stubborn to even have an open conversation and consider other ideas. grow up
right, we try to save everyone but sometimes everyone not worth saving or they may not even want to be saved. some's view do hold people above nature but i am not as convinced. that would be a good topic for another thread
