It appears that folks suddenly get illogical when race is mentioned at all. The Chinese likely vote more for Yao than Shaq. To argue differently is preposterous. I never defended the claim that others have made that Yao only starts because of the Chinese vote, more so because I don't care than the fact that it cannot be proven or disproven with the available data. My example above shows how the Chinese vote could hypothetically have a material effect on who starts, but I'm not arguing that, again I don't care. It was meant to show that we do not have the data to determine the compsition of the online votes and their effect. So if someone here wants to claim that Shaq get's just as many votes from China as Yao, or that Ray Allen gets just as many votes from Houston, go right ahead. You would only be fooling yourself. For those others who think I argue that Yao should not be starting, argue with someone else. For the others who think that I argue that the Chinese vote has made a definitve difference in who starts, again, argue with someone else. I never made either claim.
LOL. You are only partially right. You are probably correct that Yao got more Chinese votes. But that wouldn't affect paper votes, right? Yao got more paper votes than Shaq. You can argue that only women or people never watched games voted for Yao, but they outdone those men with lots of basketball knowledge who submitted vote on paper. So yao won on paper, and Shaq won Online, but Yao won on total, which means that Yao's margin on paper overtook Shaq's margin online. Yao's win on votes was due to the paper ballots margin, which can only be submitted in US, not by Chinese in China. Last year's result: ONLINE PAPER TOTAL Yao Ming 1,241,347 243,184 1,484,531 Shaquille O'Neal 1,245,728 207,558 1,453,286 The scenario you presented could exist theoretically, but there is no proof it did. Even if it did, the fact that more American and Canadians voted for Yao on paper won't change. Even if those voters are ONLY women and soft men who never watched a single bball game before, he still won on paper in Us and Canada, which is already a huge success. What's the fuss about it? You and other "experts" feel the urge to somehow paint the picture the result isn't legit, could be affected by online Chinese votes. Of course, Yao is damn Chinese, what's the fuss about Chinese voting for him? The result only show you one thing, it's not like Shaq and some other dumb experts believed that Yao got 1,484,531 Chinese online votes, while Shaq won 1,453,286 globally. That's good enough for me. I still don't get what you REALLY want to prove.
Then I wonder why Kirilenko doesn't get any All Star votes since Russia's got a lot of people also. You're the only person I see here getting illogical about this. You are saying the Chinese vote makes an impact on the voting. The facts show it doesn't. The only real impact Chinese people can have is on the online voting, and Shaq has won that battle before when they were in the same conference. I don't have the quote but I believe Stern has said before that Yao only got like 300,000 online votes form CHina out of the 2.5 million total votes he received last year. clap clap for ignorance
Agreed, in YOUR hypothetical example it made a statistically material difference. But if Yao leads in paper voting, that "statistically" material difference that you are outlining doesn't turn out to be a significant statistic as it relates to the final outcome. All-star voting is a simple matter of tabulating the most votes. Since online balloting and paper balloting provides you with an idential result (Yao has more than Shaq) albeit at a slightly less margin. But margin of victory is not relevant. It's a simple vote. Therefore the argument you are making, while possibely valid, is irrelevant. The outcome is the same either way. BTW, the demographics of mall votes vs. game votes is also irrelevant if you are arguing that Chinese votes skew the results. The % of woman at a mall has nothing to do with the Chinese vote. Besides, just because more woman are AT a mall doesn't mean that more woman will necessarily VOTE. Stereotypically woman aren't interested in sports and probably tend to overlook all-star balloting regardless if it is at the mall, in a nail shop or in the Cotex section of Walgreens. If you gave woman a free perfume sample for voting, then woman would come out in droves. But then Moochie Norris might be starting in the all-star game. So just as well.
I have no fuss, you do. I've made no other staements other than Yao probably gets more votes from China than Shaq. YOU are the one trying to argue against a point that I never made. What did I came to be an 'expert' on? What picture am I painting? What a joke. READ CAREFULLY BECAUSE I'LL ONLY REPEAT THIS ONCE MORE: I DON'T CARE THAT CHINESE VOTE MORE FOR YAO (IF THEY DO) OR EVEN IF THEY THOSE VOTES HAPPEN TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN WHO STARTS. IT HAS NO MEANING FOR ME. If you decide to continue to intentionally ignore that statement and make incorrect assumptions about my motives, you will continue to be completely wrong, but it is apparent that you are comfortable with that.
right. you say you are not arguing that the Chinese vote makes a difference, yet you spew off hypothetical garbage like this. Sounds like you're arguing about it to me. clap clap for selective memory
I do have problems in reading comprehension sometimes. But please correct me if I am wrong. First, the thread was about the simple fact that Yao's leading in all star votes. You said yes but Chinese votes perhaps affected the outcome of the result. Technically, you are right, since Chinese did vote, of course they affected the outcome. I don't get your point. Second, other posters pointed out to you that in last year, there was vote result breakdown, which showed that Yao won on paper votes, and Shaq won on online votes, which negated the notion that Yao won simple because of Chinese votes. Third, you came up with all of your assumptions. First, paper votes for Yao were from women and people don't watch basketball. Second, Shaq won far more US online votes than Yao. Third, Yao won far far more online votes from China. None of them are proven by you. That's why I still don't get your point, just as many others. Finally, someone pointed to you that Stern mentioned Yao only got 300,000 online votes from China, which wasn't as huge an impact to the final result as some believed. You put all cap to ask me to read carefully, about what? I still don't get what you are arguing about, and what you are trying to achieve.
Then why bring up the Chinese vote in teh first place, and then continue to harp on it? And then you top it off with this all caps winner here. Seems like you care an awful lot actually
Arent all Rox fans supposed to know that David Stern told the press Yao only got something like 300,000 Chinese votes online? You keep going on about how we don't know, when in fact the NBA told us already.
My first post that everyone is responding to: Does it sound like I brought it up, or maybe it was the topic of this thread? What I care about is being misrepresented. Do you like people putting words in your mouth?
Nice attempt at obfuscation, now that you're slowly starting to realize you've been wrong. 'Aren't all Rox fans supposed to know'... a childish attack on how much of a fan I am? I didn't hear Stern say it, because I never read articles pertaining to it because I didn't and don't care who votes how on for the all stars. It's small minds or big egos that think it makes any kind of difference about anything. It's just a game voted on by fans from around the world; nothing more. As I stated in my original post, I care more about haing Yao on our team than what anyones says about the all star game. And FWIW, while you're at it, go ahead and tell me the rest of the story. 300,000 Chinese fans voted on Yao, how many voted for Shaq? Was my original, simple statement true...that more Chinese fans voted for Yao?
anything wrong even this is true that YAO got a lot of vote from chinese? NBA now becomes global wise, and CHINA pay a lot of money to televise NBA games! American vote is more valuable than chinese Vote?
Was that really what you were striving for? Then what was the point of your assumption that Yao got voted in by women and children at movie theaters who dont know anything about basketball? It took you how many posts to get to that point where you finally typed that all caps post?
No, but some would argue that by sheer numbers the Chinese vote could ultimately outweigh all others. Some like Charles Barkley feel that the game is entirely about who's playing best, but the league set it up as a game of players that the fans want to see. Sometimes the better players, sometimes not, but that's the way it is. So there's nothing wrong with it and its certainly not something new. Large markets like New York and LA have always had a similar influence over such fan voting, and sometime it makes a difference and sometimes it doesn't.
Again, if you don't care why mention the fact that he gets Chinese votes in the first place? now I'm confused, I thoguht you don't care about the All Star voting thing...first you tell me you don't wanna talk about it anymore, then you say talk about it some more. Is this some more of my lack of reading comprehension?
I thought you didnt want to talk about this anymore. I also thought that you don't believe that the Chinese vote impacts the ballot count. So why do you constantly draw up scenarios where it does? yeah I don't believe that pollution kills animals, but here's 50 scenarios on how it kills animals.
