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Siberian Tiger Escapes, Kills Visitor at SF Zoo

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  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    also I guess everyone missed where this tiger attacked a zookeeper last year. I guess the zookeeper was taunting the tiger also
     
  2. DrLudicrous

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    He may not have been taunting the tiger but he should have known that being attacked was very likely. You can't put a wild animal into a cage and simply expect it to become a nice cuddly kitty cat.

    There are simple rules to not being attacked by caged animals.
    1) Don't go into the cage
    2) Don't taunt them if there's any chance they can get out
    3) Don't do stupid stuff in general

    If you do any of those don't be surprised at what happens.
     
  3. MR. MEOWGI

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    Go get em, tiger.

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    It's a jungle out there.
     
  4. justtxyank

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    I can't believe some of the ridiculous statements being made in here. The guy deserved to die for taunting a wild animal?

    I'm sure lots of you deserve to die then because I'm sure you've done some pretty moronic stuff in your lifetime.

    It's one thing to say they were idiots and made a stupid decision and suffered the unfortunate consequences, but to actually say they deserved to die, or thank God they are out of the gene pool, etc. is baffling.

    If every teenager who did something moronic was weeded out of the gene pool, none of us would be alive today.
     
  5. RunninRaven

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    Boy, no kidding. If doing something as dumb as taunting an animal behind bars/caged is considered something deserving of death, then I imagine about 99% of the people in this whole world deserve to be removed from the gene pool. Then we'd have an intelligent, peaceful world with lots of love and a considerably larger tiger population.
     
  6. MR. MEOWGI

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    Deserve as in "responsible" not as in some sort of punishment.

    Play with fire, you get burned. It's all about karma. If the fire is antagonizing a large, deadly animal, it's hard to feel sorry for a dumbass who would do that.

    But who knows what really happened.
     
  7. krnxsnoopy

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    Well that is pretty F-ed up taunting a caged animal. It's a CAGED ANIMAL! What is more cowardly than that? How about appreciating the beauty than being a D*CK!?
     
  8. KingCheetah

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    Let me get this straight -- you're saying tigers are wild animals?
     
  9. Smokey

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    Who's taking joy? Tatiana the Tiger was shot to death.

    I'm kidding...this thread is taking a Chinese BMXer turn. The lack of sympathy isn't surprising. Leaping over the Great Wall, taunting a tiger, ...these aren't moronic activities, they're suicidal activities.

    I think last year and this year are two different situations. Last year the zoo was at fault (I think I heard the bars were too wide). This year it wasn't. The taunting allegations are coming from police investigators...and I take it back, I'm glad they did investigate instead of blaming it on a renegade tiger.
     
  10. JeopardE

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    From what I read, it appears the boys were throwing stuff at the tiger - sticks, objects etc. And then as if it wasn't aggravated enough, they climbed over the wall (which normally the tiger wouldn't be able to scale), at the time when the tiger had been worked up into a rage. They found a shoe and blood in the moat between the tiger's enclosure and the wall, so all indications are that these kids actually climbed over the wall and ended up helping the tiger to get out.

    The tiger killed the first kid instantly with a swipe to the neck, and at least one of the other two was injured. Both ran away, and the tiger followed the trail of blood and chased them down. The timely arrival of the police was what saved the other two kids' lives. It doesn't seem like the tiger was trying to eat them -- they just made it really mad and it attacked.

    Of course, nobody deserves to be killed by a tiger. But I have to agree with some of the other people in this thread -- you can't say they didn't have it coming. You play with fire, you get burned. It's one thing to even throw objects at the animal, it's another to climb over the wall that's supposed to protect you and put yourself directly in harm's way. How do you feel sorry for someone like that?
     
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    Do you have a link for this info?
     
  13. pgabriel

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    I actually agree
     
  14. RunninRaven

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    Okay, if the dumbasses were throwing things at the tiger and actually CLIMBED up on the wall...then yes, they probably deserved to be killed. That goes beyond the stupidity and laughing and banging on the glass between you and a fearsome animal. It goes WAY beyond.
     
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    Holy Crap :eek:


    San Francisco police are investigating the possibility that one of the victims in the fatal tiger mauling on Christmas Day climbed over a waist-high fence and then dangled a leg or other body part over the edge of a moat that kept the big cat away from the public, sources close to the investigation said Wednesday.

    The minimal evidence found at the scene included a shoe and blood in an area between the gate and the edge of the 25- to 30-foot-wide moat, raising questions about what role, if any, the victims might have had in accidentally helping the animal escape.

    The three victims, all young men from San Jose, were visiting the zoo together. They were all present just outside the tiger's grotto when the tiger escaped, killed 17-year-old Carlos Sousa Jr. with a savage slash to the throat, and injured the other two. The names of the survivors, who are brothers ages 19 and 23, have not been released.

    The injured victims fled, leaving a trail of blood, which police believe the tiger followed for 300 yards up a zoo pathway. As the tiger cornered and attacked one of the brothers, four police officers arrived, distracted the animal and shot it dead.

    What followed were hours of confusion as police attempted to find other tigers that zookeepers believed might have escaped.

    When police arrived at the zoo, they were hampered by a lack of emergency lights, video surveillance cameras and maps. They didn't know how many animals might be on the loose or how many victims might have been injured.

    And though they found and killed the escaped tiger within minutes of their arrival, they had been told three other tigers might be on the loose.

    Zoo officials said they are trying to figure out how the 4-year-old Siberian tiger named Tatiana escaped from her enclosure shortly after the zoo's 5 p.m. closing time, while there were still many visitors walking around the zoo. No doors to the grotto had been left ajar, they said. The animal is the same one that attacked a zookeeper almost exactly a year ago.

    Police sources said a footprint had been found on a metal fence, suggesting that someone had climbed the fence to get closer to the big cats. Authorities were looking into whether the tiger escaped by latching on to a leg or body part.

    Zoo director Manuel Mollinedo said it was also likely that the animal was provoked.

    "Somebody created a situation that really agitated her and gave her some sort of a method to break out," Mollinedo said. "There is no possible way the cat could have made it out of there in a single leap. I would surmise that there was help.

    "A couple of feet dangling over the edge could possibly have done it."

    Sources said pinecones and sticks that were found in the moat might have been thrown at the animal. Those items could not have landed in the grotto naturally, they said.

    However, police Sgt. Neville Gittens maintained that there was no reason to think that the victims were taunting the tiger.

    The two survivors were in serious but stable condition Wednesday following surgery at San Francisco General Hospital, doctors said.

    The zoo, which closed Wednesday, will remain shut today so that police could continue their investigation. Mollinedo said he hopes the zoo will reopen Friday, but the tigers and lions will not be on display for at least a week.

    The hunt for the escaped tiger Tuesday was chaotic, with police and paramedics frantically scrambling through the 1,000-acre zoo grounds to locate victims after discovering Sousa's body.

    There are no surveillance cameras pointed at the big cats' grottos, so officers could not find out from zoo guards which animal or animals had escaped. Initial calls for help didn't say what sort of animal had escaped, sources said. The lack of cameras also has made it difficult to ascertain how the attacks occurred.

    Police said the investigation will focus on physical evidence collected at the zoo, witness statements, an autopsy of the victim and the necropsy of the tiger.

    New cameras and a metal barrier will be installed to protect the public from the tigers and lions, Mollinedo said.

    As darkness deepened Tuesday, officers found the zoo lighting was insufficient to illuminate the trees, foliage and public areas where they feared that more animals might be lurking or more victims might be found. Firefighters standing on tall ladders outside the zoo illuminated the grounds with portable lights to help the search.

    "We didn't know how many tigers were out," Mollinedo said. "I (was) under the impression we had two or three cats escaping. There was a sense of paranoia around here."

    Investigators canvassed the zoo for hours Wednesday morning before finally determining that nobody else had been hurt.

    A Fire Department source said three paramedics found Sousa's body Tuesday, with a wide gash across the neck, lying near the grotto. The enclosure is separated from the public by a 25- to 30-foot-wide moat - a trench that is 14 feet deep.

    The paramedics and an ambulance driver were told of additional victims outside the Terrace Cafe restaurant, about 300 yards east. When they arrived, they found the tiger standing over one of the brothers.

    The paramedics and driver were soon joined by the four police officers, who distracted the tiger with the red lights of their two patrol cars before shooting her to death with their .40-caliber handguns.

    Gittens said the officers did not want to shoot the animal while she was sitting next to the victim.

    "I can only imagine the patrons walking around, and suddenly seeing this tiger," he said. "It was probably surreal."

    Police were treating the zoo as a crime scene Wednesday. Yellow police tape surrounded the area near the cafe where the animal was slain.

    It's not known why the tiger singled out the three visitors or why she tracked down the two wounded victims, apparently ignoring other zoo patrons.

    Rochelle Dicker, an emergency room surgeon at San Francisco General Hospital who operated on the victims, said Wednesday that the two survivors were recovering remarkably well. They were awake and stable, Dicker said.

    Doctors are focusing on preventing infection from the bacteria that might be present in the men's wounds, she said. Those bacteria are similar to the type found in the common house cat, officials said.

    The zoo was eerily quiet on the day after the tragedy. The cafe where the attack victims were found was shuttered and still, and a dozen police officers gathered with zoo officials nearby, poring over maps and handing out equipment. Zookeepers held a staff meeting and also met with grief counselors.

    Visitors continued to filter up to the entrance, unaware of what had happened.

    "Oh my gosh! I hadn't heard anything about a tiger," said one visitor, Komer Poodari of San Jose. "I guess we'll go to Fisherman's Wharf."

    Mollinedo said that the zoo has a response team armed with tranquilizers and firearms, but that the scene unfolded "so quickly that the officers found (Tatiana) first."

    This is the second time in just over a year that this same tiger attacked a human.

    On Dec. 22, 2006, Tatiana chewed the flesh off zookeeper Lori Komejan's arm in front of about 50 visitors lingering in the Lion House after the cats were fed. A state investigation later ruled that the zoo was at fault for the attack because of the way the cages were configured.

    "There was never any consideration for putting her down. The tiger was acting like a normal tiger," Mollinedo said.

    The public feeding demonstrations at the Lion House resumed in September after about $250,000 in safety upgrades. The city, which helps fund the zoo, has been sued by Komejan and is assessing whether it is liable for the Christmas Day mauling.

    Mollinedo has brought in colleagues from other accredited zoos to do a thorough analysis of the big cat exhibits.

    "We want to make sure they are safe and see what kind of modifications should be done to ensure the safety" of people and animals, he said.

    The U.S. Department of Agriculture will "in most likelihood" investigate the zoo's tiger facility, said agency spokesman Jim Brownlee. Inspectors from the USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, which oversees the nation's zoos, will "probably be on location very soon," Brownlee said Wednesday night. "We would look at the whole situation in a comprehensive manner," he said.

    Keepers at other U.S. zoos said they were waiting for more details about the San Francisco attack before deciding whether to change their tiger enclosures or security procedures. Moats and sheer walls are common methods of protecting visitors from large animals at outdoor zoo exhibits.

    "We still don't know what happened," said Tony Vecchio, director of the Oregon Zoo in Portland. "We know what animals can do, and we build barriers that are taller and wider than that. But one of the rules in the zoo business is that animals will always surprise you."
     
  17. Smokey

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    It is impressive these weren't "random victims." I wonder if they crapped themselves. I can't wait to hear the survivors story...the truth will come out. And if they try to sue the zoo, they should get a check that says FU.
     
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    Even if the kid climbed the fence and dangled his leg out there, I still think the zoo is at fault for allowing that situation to be possible in the first place. Stupid kids doing stupid stuff happens all the time - that is the definition of being a kid/teenager. If you operate a zoo, yes, you have to make sure that animals can't get out, but you also have to make sure that idiots can't get in - that is also part of the zoo's responsibility. A sign isn't enough. A climbable wall/fence certainly isn't enough.

    Really, all they had to do was install a security camera and pay some guy to glance at the video feed every couple of minutes...
     
  19. MR. MEOWGI

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    It's not my responsibility not to let you be an idiot.

    ITS A FREAKING TIGER.

    This reminds of of the tv show I saw of a lady complaining there wasn't enough warning signs when her husband fell into the grand Canyon and died.
     
  20. KingCheetah

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    Whoops (SF Zoo), Tiger wall was only 12.5 feet tall -- recommended to be at least 16 feet.
     

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