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[SI] Zach Lowe: Van Gundy, Morey call out McGrady

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Mar 4, 2011.

  1. ashishduh

    ashishduh Contributing Member

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    The fact that you think this isn't true is hilarious. Brad does have no weakness, he does everything a big, slow, bumbling white guy could possibly do, and he does it well.
     
  2. Shaud

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    Oh I love this line that people throw out there.

    So what is the reason you're not an NBA coach?
     
  3. RV6

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    What's you infatuation with players and lifting? They're playing ball, not bodybuilding. A lot of great players hardly lifted.
     
  4. ashishduh

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    Three posts from you and still no answer. Consider yourself enlightened.
     
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    Being white is a weakness.
     
  6. Shaud

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    No point in arguing with an idiot that doesn't know basketball or doesn't know what a weakness is.

    If you think Brad Miller and Shane Battier have no weakness then you sir have no clue about basketball.

    Even LeBron James and Kobe Bryant has a weakness.
     
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    The not so great ones(un-gifted genetically) could benefit from it. And I said strength not bodybuilding, huge difference.
     
  8. ashishduh

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    Well you see, I was on the fast track to landing a head coaching job with an organization that I can not name, but I just didn't have the love for game required to invest so many hours of my life into the position. And my wife got pregnant and all that travel would be hard on a young family.

    But ya, it's called hyperbole.
     
  9. ashishduh

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    Of course they have weaknesses, the media has been over ther weaknesses plenty of times. So again what does Battier do that is a weakness of his?
     
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    Tmac literally sat and watched practice most of the time and hardly ever did any shooting or anything to get better. He would scrimmage sometimes but when it came down to it, he wouldn't even stretch with the team. He was the best player and supposed to lead by example. This is why JVG would get mad and what he is trying to say.


    Shane on the other hand would practice hard and go thru everything. He would also get extra shooting in to stay fresh. What JVG is saying is that the assumption that Battier is a gym rat would be wrong. He did the necessary work but was definitely not one of the guys that was there all the time getting extra work in.
     
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    I guess that could be the case, but ive never read or heard anything with a credible source that explained it quite like that. You hear that he doesn't practice enough, but there's different ways to take that. If he actually consistently sat out team practice, when healthy, then thats definitely not an honest effort on his part and he failed to do his job.

     
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    This thread is pure comedic gold, lol.
     
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    Battier seems like an intelligent guy. I'd imagine he is better suited than the rest of us to recognize his own limitations and adjust accordingly.

    I don't really see a problem with someone identifying their own 'strengths' and trying to excel in that area. "Specialists"/role players are hardly anything new. We had several of them on our championship teams. I've never understood getting mad at Battier for all the things he didn't do, particularly when no one should have expected him to do them when the team brought him here.

    It's like hating on Kenny Smith for not pulling enough rebounds or Matt Bullard for blocking enough shots.

    Now, that doesn't mean that Battier was some perfect player who couldn't make a mistake. And at one point, our team moved to a position where his game no longer had real advantages to the team so they had to move on.

    Battier was brought here to do exactly what he did. The problem with it was the superstars he was supposed to be joining never really came together. It's unfortunate, but what can you do.
     
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    Your logic here is exactly what turns people OFF to stats.
     
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    errrr no. I was simply calling out people, including the writer quoted at the beginning of the thread, for misrepresenting what was said at the conference. I was there, and the way the si writer presented what was said was very misleading. He left off several things that were said.

    So ya, picking and choosing a few comments to fit your big theory is unquestionably non sense.

    Should Battier gotten better offensively despite the fact that few NBA players entirely transform their game like yall are suggesting he should have done? I don't think so but I really don't care

    The suggestion that Battier didn't do as much as he should have to got better seems pretty absurd considering how many players (including Rockets) don't put in nearly as much work as he has put into his game.
     
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    I disagree with most of what you said but this is BS and I suspect you know that. Hayes was a good offensive player in college and has always been good at offense in practice according to other players. It was confidence in his offense that he lacked in games prior to this season.
     
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    McGrady lovers got to knock someone after getting butthurt by the Gundy... :grin:


    Bravo Jeff, Bravo...


    An hour of good practice is much more valueable than 6 hours of mediocre practice. Quality over quantity.
     
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    This.

    I don't think Hayes has improved that much offensively in terms of skills, except maybe his FT. He has always been a great passer. He has always been good at getting to the open spot for layups. He has always had that little post move. His jump shot sucked and still does. The difference for his performance this season is that he is more aggressive at scoring. Perhaps it is confidence. Perhaps it is coach encouraging him. Perhaps it is the chemistry of the team.

    BTW, the difference between TMac and Battier, if you guys still can't see it, is that TMac doesn't give much of a damn in team practice while Battier is extremely focused, according to JVG.
     

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