Here is what we got for 3yrs/$33MM: 2004: 15 starts, 83 IP, 6-4, 3.90 ERA 2005: 33 starts, 222 IP, 17-9, 2.39 ERA 2006: 35 starts, 214 IP, 14-13, 4.20 ERA Year 1 was a bust by anyone's definition. Year 2 he earned his money. Year 3 he was mediocre at best. He finished strong and that's about it. Pettitte will turn 35 next June. Like I said, he shouldn't let the door hit him. If the Yankees offer him $15MM, bye bye. We can sign any mediocre pitcher and get the same contribution for much less money.
i don't think this team is all that much better than the teams over the past few years. hind sight is twenty twenty . . . but our best chance was two years ago. Andy will not be as good as he was a few years ago. Roger (if he plays) wouldn't be here until april, at the earliest. i'd wager that carlos doesn't put up the numbers that morgan put up two years ago. Losing backe at this stage in the game will be more costly than we realize. at best, and i hate to say it, the record difference between this year and last year will be a wash . . . even with the signing of andy and roger, we are still a 500 team. without them . . . no chance at the playoffs. however you roll the dice, unless we make a huge trade and sign andy (in hopes of signing roger for a month or two) this team won't have the same opportunities as the team last year had . . . or the team the year before. bah humbug
Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Two wicked stretch runs was worth all the jack thrown at Andy, and I hope he pitches in Houston in both 2007 and 2008.
Thats exactly what I was thinking... Who out there in the free agency do we have a shot at with better numbers??
Fans love to remember the good and forget the bad. Sure, Pettitte helped get the team out of the hole by pitching very well down the stretch last year, but his awful start contributed to the digging of the hole in the first place.
did someone just say we can get some mediocre pitcher to replace what andy's given us? please. pitching is way harder to find than you think. the astros have spoiled us with quality arms season after season. if we can't replace roger and andy with atleast schmidt or something close, things aren't going to be all rosy. our offense is improved but there's lots of teams out there who have hitting but never go anywhere because they constantly trot out mediocre pitchers.
Yes I did. I don't expect Pettitte to be very good this year. He will either be injured and miss part of the season or 1/2 the year he will be awful. Describing him as a "quality arm" is a stretch IMO. Not so for Clemens. It is VERY hard to find quality pitchers and the Stros have their work cut out for them, but missing out on Andy Pettitte isn't a big deal.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12062006/sports/yankees/heavy_pett_ing_yankees_george_king.htm December 6, 2006 -- LAKE BUENA VISTA - With the winter meetings buzzing about a report that Andy Pettitte could be a Yankee by the end of the week, Phil Garner said the likelihood of Pettitte pitching another year exists. "He indicated to me that maybe he would pitch again," the Astros manager told The Post in the lobby of the Dolphin Hotel. Asked if Pettitte told him if it would be for the Yankees or Astros, Garner shrugged. Informed the Yankees, who have let Pettitte know they are willing to pay him $15 million for one year, are waiting on Pettitte's decision and would welcome him back to The Bronx, Garner said, "They would be crazy not to want him." Though the Yankees downplayed the chances of leaving Disney World with the 34-year-old lefty under contract, a club official said, "I guess anything could happen." Ideally, the Astros and Yankees want Pettitte to inform them of his decisions soon so they can go about their business of reconstructing pitching staffs. Agent Randy Hendricks said yesterday that Pettitte's deadline for deciding is Dec. 22. "Andy has yet to tell me he has decided to play, but the trend line is toward playing," said Hendricks, who added the Astros and Yankees have shown a lot of interest in the left-hander. The Astros, who spent heavily on outfielder Carlos Lee, believe Pettitte is looking for close to $15 million to pitch the 2007 season. According to an Astros source, that's too much for them. Another predicted Pettitte would be a Yankee for $15.5 million and a one-year deal. The Astros have informed Hendricks that if they can acquire a starter through a deal, then Pettitte wouldn't fit. "The Astros told me that if they make a trade Andy is out," Hendricks said. Hendricks - who has been talking parameters with the Yankees, Astros and Rangers - said he has instructed the clubs to proceed as if Pettitte isn't going to be with them. "I told them to go about their life and make the decisions they have to make," Hendricks said. Pettitte, who is 186-104 lifetime and was 149-78 as a Yankee from 1995 to 2003, is clearly the focus of the Yankees' universe at the meetings, which end tomorrow. So much so GM Brian Cashman said he is putting off a decision on Bernie Williams in order to concentrate on pitching. The Yankees have expressed only lukewarm interest in Gil Meche and Ted Lilly and not much at all in Barry Zito, so Pettitte is the arm they are focused on. The 2006 season was the third and final year of a three-year deal worth $31 million. Pettitte was 14-13 last season and made $17.5 million. According to Hendricks, Pettitte thought about sitting out the 2007 season but not officially retiring. However, he didn't think about sitting out the first half of the season ala Roger Clemens a year ago. "We talked about that," Hendricks said of Pettitte not pitching this season and returning in 2008. "As for the half-year thing, he laughed at me when I said that." Hendricks said Pettitte's decision isn't tied to whatever his close friend Clemens does. If Clemens comes back, he likely will repeat last year, when he worked the final half of the season. "Whether Andy decides to play or not isn't connected to Roger," Hendricks said.
What???? Yeah, sure. Fans always remember the good and *never* harp on the bad. Signed, Jeff Bagwell Craig Biggio Brad Ausmus David Carr Steve Francis Cuttino Mobley John McMullen Warren Moon Larry Dierker
Say NO to Roger and Andy, one just doesn't know when to call it quits and really wasn't worth his paycheck last season, and the other has a jakked up elbow and is totally overrated. It's time for new blood.
WFAN reporter is saying that Lilly was offered 4 yrs/40mil by the Cubs and that the Yanks are the only other team he is considering....and that the Yanks want him....they said that the fact that the yanks were showing any interest at all in Lilly shows that they dont think they will land AP
If Ted Lilly gets $10 million a year, NOBODY should be complaining about what we offer/pay Andy Pettite.
FWIW.........Francessa said...and he is usually very in tune with the Yankees....that he really does not think Pettitte is coming there
Weren't Mike and the mad dog (and every other NY reporter) the ones who said there's no way he leaves NY in the first place?
