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[SI] Top 100 players

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by larsv8, Sep 15, 2014.

  1. J Sizzle

    J Sizzle Member

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    Lamarcus Aldridge is firmly Top 20, but not Top 10. Volume mid-range shooters aren't winning you titles as a lead guy. As a number 2 guy though? That'd be insane.
     
  2. Aleron

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    The ESPN list is a better list, at least for the top 100 or so (before that, you have too many people who really haven't seen other team's fringe players), but Harden in this list, you can literally see the writers desire to Durant to bring attention to it again oozing out of his fingers. I'd bet money that Bledsoe being before Dragic is a favor to Lebron for the Cleveland letter, way too political when you have 1 person doing it.
     
  3. steddinotayto

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    So is Wade going to follow through on his promise to remind Durant of his place in the NBA?
     
  4. slestack11

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    TS% is True Shooting Percentage. PER is player efficiency ratio. So I would say his efficiency is PER. But whatever.

    So if TS% is the best measure of who the best players in the nba, then do you admit that Deandre Jordan is a top 5 player because his TS% was .630? Personally, I think the TS% is a misleading statistic. If Aldridge is my best scorer, then I want him to take more shots...even tough shots. It's sort of like a stud slugger in MLB that takes a lot of walks. Those guys should swing at more bad pitches because they are worth more swinging the ball then taking one base.

    Plus, this TS% stat is also misleading because it favors players that either take a lot of three pointers, dunk the ball a lot, or flop free throws out. When a player is a volume flopper, all the field goals that they attempt while getting fouled don't count as FGAs. So it keeps the denominator a lot lower than reality. If we want to make this stat more accurate, those shots taken while flopping should also count as a FGA.
     
  5. slestack11

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    Isn't Kobe a volume mid range shooter? If you look at his shot graph, he murders teams from mid-range.
     
  6. J Sizzle

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    Kobe is a volume midrange shooter. He's a terrific player, but he's also had Hall of Famers to help him.
     
  7. Aleron

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    It does count, each free throw is worth 0.44 fga (the offset of 0.06 is for and 1's) to TS%, and yes DeAndre Jordan is a very efficient player, since he only takes shots that he's good at.
     
  8. jordnnnn

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    This.

    TS% means a lot more when you take into account the amount of shots a player takes and the types of shots a player takes.

    Brandon Wright is a perfect example of a guy who has an outstanding TS% and PER, but when taken into context you know he's not a top level player.

    Aldridge is a volume scorer. Low efficiency with a lot of attempts. He's one of the best 25-30 players in the league, but I find it hard to believe that most GMs would take him over Harden. That 1st round playoff series has people overrating the hell out of him.
     
  9. slestack11

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    Maybe GMs actually care about defense or rebounding and not just offense. Aldridge is a good interior defender and rebounder. For the first half of the year, many were putting Aldridge in the MVP talk as the Blazers were at the top of the Western Conference in the standings. So it wasn't just the first two playoff games that manipulating people's opinion of him.

    I've already said that I would rather have Klay Thompson over James Harden for the same reason. Thompson is a great man to man defender and I think that makes him a lot more valuable than he's given credit for. Harden is better offensively, but that's not to say Klay couldn't take over a game if needed. In the playoffs especially, Id rather have a good offensive player who is a great defender over a great offensive player who is a liability on defense.

    So getting back to this TS% thing. If we compare Deandre Jordan with Dwight Howard, since Deandre has a higher TS% and also averaged more rebounds and blocks per game than Dwight, does that make him a better center than Dwight Howard?
     
  10. Aleron

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    Aldridge isn't a good defender, nor is he a particularly good rebounder, Klay is a 3&D guy, he's not taking over games.
     
  11. jbasket

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    What?

    Harden was also in MVP talk, and he didn't play defence

    Eh, not really.
     
  12. Aleron

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    Steve Nash won 2 mvps and i've yet to see him play defense.
     
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    10. Blake Griffin
    9. Dwight Howard
    8. Stephen Curry
    7. Kevin Love
    6. Anthony Davis
    5. Tim Duncan
    4. Russel Westbrook
    3. Chris Paul
    2. Kevin Durant
    1. LeBron James
     
  14. Aleron

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    Tim Duncan at #5, and Tony Parker at #15, I'm glad to see we aren't the only Texas team they don't watch
     
  15. Ziggy

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    Saw Barkley do the same thing. It's not a prerequisite.
     
  16. HR Dept

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    IMO, it really becomes difficult after numbers 1 and 2.
     
  17. NateNate

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    Curry is vastly overrated!
     
  18. larsv8

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    This list kinda sucks.
     
  19. steddinotayto

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    I'm probably in the minority here but Westbrook seems kinda high at the #4 spot. I think he's a Top 10 player but #4?
     
  20. Classic

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    LOL these lists
     

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