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SI Players Poll, Mcgrady Lebron among most overrated

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by showtang043, Mar 21, 2010.

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  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

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    You do know that stats now adjust for pacing right?
     
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  2. Shaud

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    Yeah if the supporting cast plays like they played against Orlando they definitely wouldn't make it out the first round in the West.

    If LeBron played for the Lakers minus Kobe he would have no problem getting out the first round in the West.
     
    #102 Shaud, Mar 22, 2010
  3. Mr. Space City

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    the magic were a bad matchup for the cavs because big z could no contain dwight howard.

    kobe wouldn't be able to stop his center from getting destroyed by dwight howard.

    and kobe cant force shots to go in for his teammates. lebron can setup all he want but an assist is a two-way stat which means to complete an assist the playe must knock down his shots and mo williams (their 2nd scoring option) failed to do that.

    you're logic is flawed. it takes a team to win. NOBODY can win by themselves and lebron's teammates came up short in the ECF last year.
     
    #103 Mr. Space City, Mar 22, 2010
  4. Mr. Space City

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    damn wireless keyboard with all those typos lol
     
    #104 Mr. Space City, Mar 22, 2010
  5. goodbug

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    True, it takes a team to win, but when they actually win, it's LBJ's credit. While when they lost, it's because his supporting cast didn't show up.

    Someone's logic is flawed, but not mine.


     
    #105 goodbug, Mar 22, 2010
  6. Mr. Space City

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    i dont make the rules.

    but don't let the media cloud your perception. the media ties to hype up individuals over a team.

    they made it seem like jordan won 6 rings by himself but he still needed help from pippen.

    other people besides rockets fans dont even give guys like otis thorpe and other key players of that 1994 rockets championship credit like hakeem won his first title by himself but he still needed help from the players around him.
     
    #106 Mr. Space City, Mar 23, 2010
  7. BEAT LA

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    lol, all I could think about was Kobe kneeing Battier when I wrote that. I don't know I still trust trust Kobe more when the game is on the line, but I don't think that would happen much with this line up:

    Bynum
    Gasol / Odom
    James
    Artest / Brown
    Fisher / Farmar
     
    #107 BEAT LA, Mar 23, 2010
  8. showtang043

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    I think you can compare lebron to Nash in the sense they pass the ball, but they are better surrounded by role player shooters and defense specialist rather tahn other starts who can play indiviudally and take it them selves. Both keep possessions of the game at a high level and althoug htey pass alot they drive and kcik to the point where they are best surrounded with spot up shooters to give them space and also who can shoot right when defense goes to them. Having people who can drive like surrounded nash or lebron with wade would just make wade less effective. There is a reason why Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, Stoudamire all wanted to switch teams bc they felt they could do more with the abll in their hands rather tahn watching nash dribble around and etiher dunk or shoot right when he gives it to him...so although nash is unselfish if you are capable of more he limits your effective ness and same with lebron, balls in his hands and youll get it when he gets doubled or off a drive and have to shoot or dunk, but if you pair with dwade or other individual talent who need the ball in their hands to goto work, it makes it less efficient and ueless
     
    #108 showtang043, Mar 23, 2010
  9. Wilford_Knows

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    Lebron overrated? No.

    Over-hyped? Sometimes.

    Better than Kobe... Absolutely NOT!!!
     
    #109 Wilford_Knows, Mar 23, 2010
  10. Steve_Francis_rules

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    Last time I checked, the LBJ led Cavs took the 08 Celtics to 7 games and lost a nail biter in Boston to lose the series. The Kobe led Lakers were humiliated in Game 6 in Boston. Therefore, Lebron is better than Kobe. :rolleyes:
     
    #110 Steve_Francis_rules, Mar 23, 2010
  11. Steve_Francis_rules

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    How exactly did you determine that last year's Cavs team would have been a No. 6 team in the West? They won 66 games, which would have put them at #1 in the Western conference as well. And if you account for the change in schedule that would have accompanied a move to the Western conference, they would have won even more games because they had a higher winning percentage against the West than against the East last season.
     
    #111 Steve_Francis_rules, Mar 23, 2010
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    jason kidd is an AMAZING defensive player? are you kidding me? you must not be watching him play nowadays. he's slow as hell and can't guard any of the decent point guards in the league anymore.
     
    #112 htownwreckagee, Mar 23, 2010
  13. EbolaScola

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    I don't see how McGrady is overrated. Who is overrating him? Certainly not the media.
     
    #113 EbolaScola, Mar 23, 2010
  14. goodbug

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    I didn't say last year, I said 07 year when they won 50 games and made the finals. That's the only year LBJ had achieved anything in playoff.

    They'd play Spurs in first round, Suns in 2nd round since 50 wins would have seeded them at No.6

    That's pretty much put LBJ in Melon's shoes.

     
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  15. goodbug

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    Yep, Rox took Lakers to 7 games too, while Nuggets 6 and Magic 5. And you really think Rox can beat both teams in a series?

    There's huge difference between winning game 7 and losing game 7. Winning 2 or 3 games out of 7? No difference at all.

     
    #115 goodbug, Mar 23, 2010
  16. showtang043

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    another interesting tidbit which gives players support for respect for Kobe.

    As we all know the media say lebron is the undisputed no 1 in the league and now are saying Kevin Durant have surpassed Kobe, they say this bc his stats are obvious now and his age, but there are so many factors that go in to determining stats especially what your team asks of you and how loaded your team are, but they like to ignore the details and take it at face value

    well they asked monta, a guy who is clearly very confident about his top 3 in the league and he put lebron at 3rd, himself at 2nd(so hes definitely cocky and thinks hes the best, right?), nope, he puts kobe at no 1.

    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/65601/20100327/ellis_says_hes_better_than_lebron/
     
    #116 showtang043, Mar 27, 2010
  17. roslolian

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    So I'm supposed to care about Monta Ellis' opinion...why? Look, lists like this don't really matter because as MJ has shown, playing ability has nothing at all to do with talent evaluation, and unlike Monta Ellis MJ actually went to college and got an education.

    A few hundred years ago the entire civilized world thought the earth was flat, did that make their opinion any more correct? I don't care if the entire league thinks that Kobe is the best player and that LBJ is overrated, I watch NBA games and look at stats and I know he's the best in the league. Even Darryl Morey agrees with me, and I'd rather have him agree with my opinion than guys who never really studied in school and have a high probability of going broke 5 years after their retirement.
     
    #117 roslolian, Mar 27, 2010
  18. professorjay

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    You have a strange obsession.
     
    #118 professorjay, Mar 27, 2010
  19. Steve_Francis_rules

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    I haven't heard anyone say Durant is better than Kobe. I've heard people say he's higher in the MVP voting, but that's a different issue.

    As for what Monta Ellis says, I think all you have to do is look at who's number 2 on his list to know that we shouldn't take him seriously at all. Besides, he plays Kobe four times per year, and Lebron only twice and he would have to guard Kobe when the teams play. Who do you think he's more worried about pissing off?
     
    #119 Steve_Francis_rules, Mar 27, 2010
  20. goodbug

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    I don't think Ellis is serious about placing himself above Lebron. It's just a sarcastic attempt to distance Kobe and LBJ. One he apparently respects, one not so much.
     
    #120 goodbug, Mar 27, 2010
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