SI Players Poll, Mcgrady Lebron among most overrated

LOL your logic is amazing. How about the simple fact that if you take away Kobe and LBJ from the Cavs and the Lakers its clear cut that the Lakers are a much better team? However add LBJ and Kobe and suddenly the Cavs are the best team in the league? If all LBJ really does is inflate his stats and Kobe does more to win games, then why is it that LBJ with the worse team has a much better record than Kobe with the much better team?

 

the cavs lost to the spurs because they were an overachieving team that made it to the finals with a 22 year old leader

are people really gonna fault lebron losing in the finals in 07 with a starting lineup of

LeBron James
Sasha Pavlovic
Drew Gooden
Larry Hughes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas

LOL?

and the cavs lost last year because they had no answer for Dwight Howard.

Big Z was getting destroyed by Dwight. Lebron got 38.5 pg off 48% shooting in the ECF last year but factor not having an answer for dwight with mo williams (their 2nd scoring option) disappearing in the ECF is why they lost.

 

The Cavs had no business being in the finals in 07, that team was probably the worst I have seen make it to the finals. Who was their second best player? Exactly nobody good. Lebron was the main reason they beat the Pistons in the Eastern Conference finals in 07.

As far as the Celtics series in 08, he got his team to game 7 and put them in a position to win. More importantly dominated game 7 and shot the ball extremely well. As far as Kobe goes in game 6 of the celtic series, I don't have to tell you. He did not go down fighting or play well, as was the case in Suns series the year before. At least when the Cavs went down in Game 4 of the Finals against the Spurs, they still played a great game and Lebrn played pretty well.

 

Last time I checked, LBJ led Cavs were one shot away from being swept by an underdog team called Magic. And the Kobe led Lakers kick Magic's ass easily. So much about regular season records. It only proves you are overrated if you can't get the bling bling.

 

As I mentioned a number of times, they beat a 53 wins Pistons to get there. Much like Jazz upset Rox, a 52 wins team to get to conference finals the same year. Only they achieved one win over Spurs while Cavs got swept.

The Jazz has no business in finals either, and if the Mavs weren't upset by Warriors, no business in WCF either.

That pretty much sum it up. They made the finals just as impressively as Jazz won the first round. The eastern league was watered down that year.

 

You can't give credit to LBJ for making teammates better (He couldn't have the high assists or the final appearance without those bad teammates). And at the same time bash his teammates every time they lost.

The Cavs had the biggest payroll among contenders, had the best regular season record. Have the refs on their side, (most controversial calls went their side for that series), yet they were beaten handily. You can praise LBJ for his good stats. Or I can bash him for being a ballhog and not getting teammates involved. At the end of the day, a losing team has no winner.

 

Had Cavs been in western conference that year and assume they had the same record. They'd seed No.6 and play Spurs in the first round.

From being swept in first round to having 2 easy rounds and a good shot in conference finals. That's the privilege of playing in east.

 

how is lebron overrated? those players must hate his guts b/c he gets a ton of love from the media.

 

The difference is

Kobe's supporting cast showed up for that series.

Lebron's supporting cast didn't not show up for that series.

 

The transitive property will not save the stupidity of your logic amigo.

 

We need some consistency here. If Cavs lost because the support cast didn't show up and the support cast were to blame. Then when they showed up and won they should get the credit.

 

I don't really see your point here. Lakers beat Cavs in both meeting for regular season last year, beat Magic while Cavs couldn't. Just because Cavs had one more win in a lesser conference for regular season didn't make them a better team.
Hence your logic is stupid, not mine.

 

I hate Kidd but he's an AMAZING defensive player, a great point guard, and one of the leaders in career triple-doubles..

LeBron is just insane.

 

They got credit when they won those other two series. They came to play those series.

What in the hell does them coming to play the 2 series before that have to do with them failing to show up in the Eastern Conference Finals which eliminated them?

Do you think Kobe could have taken that Cavs teams to the finals?

 

Guys, realize this is a poll between 173 players. That means:

Tmac got 16 votes.
Lebron got 5 That's right, only 5.

 

Kobe will find a way to win. Let's not talk like Cavs were the interior team for that series. All the experts favor them, they had the HCA. They just didn't execute well. They built a huge lead in the first game and lost it nonetheless.

For the last decade, Kobe's team lost only one series with HCA and won 4-5 times without it. LBJ's team were 1 and 1.

 

I'm pretty sure Kobe would not have gotten a Championship in Cleveland with that supporting cast.

 

Good, well the clippers beat the lakers so Kaman > all.

 

I am sure if Cavs were in west, they'd get beat in first round for 07. And to date he won't achieve anything better than Melon.

 

Playoff series wins and rings are where legend is defined. MJ can't get 50/25 like Wilt did but he's considered the GOAT, and Wilt wasn't even close.

To date, Kobe had 20 playoff series wins over 50+ win teams. LBJ, only 1.