1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[SI NBA player poll] - Who gets the least out of the most talent?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by booshan, Jan 16, 2008.

  1. ReD_1

    ReD_1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2007
    Messages:
    3,055
    Likes Received:
    13
    Bashing T-Maci is funny, he's one of the best players in the world, he proved it milion times.

    4%?
    haha, he just doesn't deserve to be there.

    I'm not a McGrady fan but I have full respect for him and I think he shouldn't be with those guys on that list.
     
  2. Astockmarketgod

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    925
    Likes Received:
    0
    I was a Raptor fan back then... and remember...I couldnt help but thinking that the team could have used Tmac's help in the playoffs...had he not left... they woud have made the finals...
     
  3. startover

    startover Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2006
    Messages:
    217
    Likes Received:
    2
    He is talented, but only phisically.
     
  4. TheyCallmeExMan

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2007
    Messages:
    417
    Likes Received:
    0
    i heard this on 1560, "he has a superstar ability but not a superstar mentality..."
    so he may show you flashes but when its a drawn out battle we can't really expect him to finish it to the end. This is not what you should expect from your superstar.
     
  5. weslinder

    weslinder Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2006
    Messages:
    12,983
    Likes Received:
    291
    Re: Kwame Brown, Stromile Swift, and J.R. Smith

    These three shouldn't be on the list at all. Kwame has great size and athelticism, Stro and J.R. have great athleticism, but none are very talented. Athleticism and tools go a long way towards talent, but that's not all that's needed.

    The answer to this question is definitely Darius Miles, with Bonzi Wells a distant second, and I don't see how you can vote differently. Both are incredible players when they set their mind to it and put full effort into the game, but they almost never do.
     
  6. Dave_78

    Dave_78 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2006
    Messages:
    10,809
    Likes Received:
    373
    was supposed to read "I was tired"

    It was a late night last night.
     
  7. Nitro1118

    Nitro1118 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2007
    Messages:
    794
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm sick of people saying this. He brought the team back from 16 down in that game almost single handedly, scoring or assisting on all but 8 FGM that game. In the last 4min of the game the team went 4-5 from the field and 3-3 from the line as Yao went nuts that quarter (14pts)...offense was not the problem at the end of game 7, it was the defense.

    As for T-Mac not getting the most out of his talent is RIDICULOUS. As an individual, the guy has become one of the most feared offensive players in the league, made a ton of ASG's, win back to back scoring titles, was only non-PG on assist % list last year, had the single highest scoring game in a decade when he dropped 62pts in 2004, had highest PPG average with 32PPG since MJ of the '80's (since then both AI and Kobe have broken that), and has the 4th highest playoff PPG average in NBA history at near 29PPG.

    He has milked his talent for all it is worth. He still hasn't milked his heart for all it is worth, though.
     
  8. bloop

    bloop Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2007
    Messages:
    2,143
    Likes Received:
    134
    add unlimited range.

    MJ couldn't jump like dominique either... MJ wasn't the most athletic guy of his era. 3 things made him the best 1)competitive spirit 2)stern's officials 3)willingness to always evolve his game... from solo to team, then adding a good jumper later in his career
     
  9. plutoblue11

    plutoblue11 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2006
    Messages:
    10,528
    Likes Received:
    1,011

    Agreed ^5, his shooting range wasn't even all that great, at first.
     
  10. Storm Surge

    Storm Surge Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2006
    Messages:
    3,574
    Likes Received:
    0
    we will see how he responds if the Rockets go anywhere it will be cause of t-mac/yao let's see how "soft" our superstars are.
     
  11. deeperblue

    deeperblue Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2007
    Messages:
    391
    Likes Received:
    0
    In order to do your best at the most critical moment, you need to do your best all season long, so that at that ciritical moment, you can really give 100% of you.

    He doesn't have the desire to do that all season long, so in the most critical moment, you will likely to fail even when you want to.

    Trying 110% is not just something you can do without enough practice.



     
  12. northeastfan

    northeastfan Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2007
    Messages:
    4,669
    Likes Received:
    20
    The Piston players probablly contributed a bunch of votes: "Half-man ... half-a-season"
     
  13. Dave_78

    Dave_78 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2006
    Messages:
    10,809
    Likes Received:
    373
    Gotta disagree. Mike was as good a leaper if not better (because he could jump off of 1 foot) than Dominique. Also, MJ's first step is IMO as good as anybody to ever play the game. He is one of the best pure athletes to ever play the game.

    No disrespect meant at all but how old are you? I'm curious to see if your take on him is from watching him during his career or from seeing highlights of the Championships he won in his 30s.
     
  14. northeastfan

    northeastfan Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2007
    Messages:
    4,669
    Likes Received:
    20
    MJ was an incredible athlete. He may not have been the greatest pure athlete, but he wasn't very far behind. I mean, how many can dunk after taking off aroudn the free throw line? He also practically invented hang time.

    His competitve spirit was also amazing. If only TMac has 10% of MJ's fight.... MJ also played smart. Just compare his efficiency with TMacs. TMac launches bad shots way too often. MJ didn't.
     
  15. All Souled Out

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2007
    Messages:
    70
    Likes Received:
    0
    Kwame has shown the ability to score 25+ points and have huge rebounding games (his career high is 19).

    It's just the majority of the time, he's making mental mistakes, often injured, or as he showed his last couple seasons in D.C., just doesn't care.

    Where's Jerome James? Didn't this guy have a huge playoff run to earn a max contract, only to disappear into obscurity?

    The Top 3 should be:
    1. Kwame Brown
    Watch the way he played against the Suns in the playoffs 2 seasons ago, or some of the earlier games where he put up some huge numbers. Then watch him stop caring.

    2. Vince Carter
    Remember when people compared him to Jordan (mostly people in Canada, but still)? The guy was unstoppable when he decided to slash. He was like a LeBron James without the passing ability. In his prime, he was the best swingman in the game (better than Kobe).

    3. Jerome James
    There's nobody who cares less. And Seattle knew it, too bad New York didn't.

    His playoff stats during his contract year: 12.5 PPG 6.8 RPG 1.8 BPG.

    His current stats with his ridiculous contract: 0 PPG 0 RPG 0 BPG.

    4. Larry Hughes
    Excellent defender, good slasher, high scoring ability, and strong handles. Could be an All-star shooting guard. Too bad he misses half of every season.
     
  16. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,825
    Likes Received:
    41,298
  17. Laoyi

    Laoyi Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,365
    Likes Received:
    0
    McLady should have ranked top 3 at least! :D
     

Share This Page