Should've never traded Rudy Gay. Morey never would've never made that trade.

THANK YOU FOR SHOOTING THEM DOWN!! HOORAYY! NOW I CAN JUMP ONTO ANOTHER THREAD :grin:

 

So he was Morrison being btter than Gay in 3 years i guess...and dont you think the reason morey didnt go for gay was exactly because he was being realistic and realized Gay would either bust (and he'd fail as a GM) or he'd be a great player that we couldn't afford anyway in 3-4 yrs and therefore fail in a way too. That's why he is agreat GM too, he 's looking years ahead.

What would you do this year if Gay was a rocket, looking for an extension at 13 mill a year, and we had a healthy yao and tmac(who's looking for a new deal this summer)?? How much do you give gay and tmac and for how long? Can you afford to keep both happy? Do you stick with youth and extend gay and let Tmac walk? What happens to the team in that situation? We'd probably only have a big two in yao and gay with a weaker suporting cast. No scola, no brooks since we wouldn't have felt the need for a scorer. Ariza wouldnt have signed here because their wouldnt be a big role for him. We wouldnt have shane. So who would we have at the 2/3 besides Gay? Who would back up Landry? Rafer at point?

We may not lalways like his safe approach, but this deal maybe didn't give us a ring, but it sure didn't rob us of one either, what it did do is give is give us the change to compete for years instead of being stuck in the NBA cellar with 2 stars just playing for their stats and no wins.

 

Another great point that i haven't thought of. Propz :grin:

 

The turn down of 13m could be a sign that he want to leave. Mo taylor asked the clipps for max and they politely declined. the market will set itself, but if i had to put a value on gay, it would be right about what deng got in chicago. You have to remember that the contracts players get has as much to do with upside and age. If scola were 23 or 25 vs 29-30, he would command 10m, but since the clock is ticking, he will probably get mle money. Gay is a good 2/3 option on a team and some nights he can be a #1 option. When teams have firepower, he's that kind of guys that you have to know where he's at and not leave him.

The thing is when you get young guys that are devloping, you have a cheap contract for 3 or 4 yrs. When the player plays well, you pay them and move forward vs worry about how you're going to pay them. As a organization, you want the draft picks and young guys the get good enough to pay. The rockets will have to pay brooks soon and its probably going to be in the 7m per yr category, but that a good thing.

 

This actually brings up another point. If we had gone with Rudy, what would our team be like? Would we have the 22 wins? Would we have taken the Lakers to Game 7? Or would we have won a championship? The answer is no. Please realize that during the past 3 years, Rockets has done a tremendous Job with Defense. Granted we weren't lucky with the schedules and the injuries, but they somehow managed to come through. Quite honestly, I would still see ourselves as a scrub team like the early 2000. Battier brings so much more to the team and it's something worth having than just going with the stats on Rudy Gay.

 

fratello was coach in both 2005 an 2006, same coach both years.

Gasol missed the first 22 games that season, the record for the remaining 60 games was 17-43.

James Posey left the grizzlies after the 2004/2005 season, the season after he left, the grizzlies changed coaches and went from 45-37 to 49-33

 

They aren't winning this year, couldhave used scola this year...the reason they lost out on scola is because their reasoning was that they didnt need scola if tigo splitter was coming over, who they figured was younger and would eventually be better at the 4 spot...well Tiago told them no. so now they are stuck with no Tiago for maybe evern and no scola...sounds like they lost to me

And west has been around for ever, so he's been able to stack up more "wins" than "losses", doesn't mean he doesnt have losses, that shouldnt be a knock on Morey as you're making it seem, morey himself has a nice list of good acquisitions and years down the road he'll be the one who's talked about and he'll have his long list too.

Not sure what that has to do with the Morrison deal though, he did get lucky, it wasn't like he axed the deal himself to go after Gay instead, he just got turned down and he settled for Gay. It's skill that he had Gay on his radar, but luck that he ended up with him over Morrison, that makes West a good GM, which is obvious, but doesn't make him flawless.

 

this year, battier is a very bad -11.15 while rudy is a great 4.92

 

Even so, it's still too early to tell. I rather have a more accurate stat mid season than right now.

 

sorry I forgot to add that

 

Bottom line is this;

Shane Battier was not worth the #8 pick in the draft. Intangibles, bla bla bla..

Kyle Lowry hustles hard, defends, has heart, and is more valuable offensively than Battier and we didn't give up a top 10 pick in the draft to acquire him..

Battier is not more valuable than Rudy Gay.., and if you were to try and trade Battier now you wouldn't get jack **** in return..

 

Nice handle.

 

So with shane plaing 25 mins a night, they won 45 games and made the playoffs right? They didn't win a playoff game again. So for 3 yrs, the grizz didn't win a playoff game, would you say shane had something to do with that or is that the others players fault.

Gasol missed 22 games and fratello got fired and the team suxed. They hired iavirioini to implement the new phoenix startegy of no defense, they sucked and then traded gasol for his brother, critterdon,kwame, and 3 first rd picks.

RV6, why does west always get lucky? He was so lucky he didn't get morrison, right? Well, i guess its better to be lucky than good sometimes.

 

You dont make a counter offer if you want to leave, which is what his agent did. And you really didnt answer the question of where we'd be if we had to pay Gay big money this year or next, but i think that's because you understand we wouldn't be able to pay him AND keep our big 3 or have a deep supporting cast.

Also, the fact that Gay was willing to talk extension when the team seems to be going nowhere could be a sign that he values money over wins. Maybe that's not true, but most guy who really cared deeply about winning would not have discussed an extension on that team and instead would have waited to weigh their options their FA year...that means it's likely Gay would have also asked for a lot, more than his worth, from us and probably walked if he didnt get it.

 

Of course you would and why did this turn into gay vs battier again. I've always maintained, i thought it shouldve been brewer, but i guess people will tell me he doesn't defend nor brings intangibles either.

 

And he's had a tough time just cracking the rotation on a weak NO roster this year

 

So is there any reason why the rockets couldn't pay all 3 if they had too? I mean what would be wrong with tracy at 9, rudy at 10, and yao at 11? I mkean right now, tracy makes 23 and yao 17=40m. Those 3 under my plan would be 31m, what wrong with that. If i had to let tracy walk to keep rudy, i have no problams with that either because he's younger and more durable.

 

Because it basically leads to it regardless of how you look at it.

 

He's a 20mins guy just like shane except he has 2 rings and made big shots :grin:

 

i'm pretty sure the bottom line is the NBA is a business first with monetary restrictions, so you can't act like you're trading basketball cards with your best friend and always get a kobe for your MJ..