Should've never traded Rudy Gay. Morey never would've never made that trade.

I have the LP and I watch 3-4 games a night.

I expected him to get better and BE better than Shane right now. He isnt.

 

Jerry west wouldn't have never traded the 8th pick for a guy like shane. he's the same guy that traded a very productive norm nixon for a high pick in byron scott. Was scott better than norm? No, but he saw norm declining and the chance to infuse younger, more athletic,slashing guard to the squad.Thats what great gm's do. The can see beyond what in front of them and make moves that benefit the team now, but the payoff might come later. Now he's made his mistakes, but to have vision 3 yrs ahead is why he's probably the best gm ever.

 

Thanks for the info. Could you do me a favor and find out his overall rating (offense and defense) this year? And while you're at it, if it's not too much trouble, could you find out how that rating compares to Battier's? Again, thanks.

 

So? Rudy Gay wouldn't bring more wins than Battier to Houson. He couldn't even help Memphis. With Rudy Gay and Tmac, Rocket's parameter defense would be awlful.

 

Yet he sucked at Memphis and the Rockets are surprising everyone.

 

Why is this thread not closed yet?

 

Dude that trade happened 2 years ago, plus if that trade didn't happened it doesn't mean he was gonna average 20 PPG on our team, he is leading his team??? what is he leadinh his team to??? they got lucky tonight against the cavs, and it's their first win in the last 5 or 6 games,,,, I cant believe how ignorant u r !!!!

 

You can't expect him to contain players sub 30 in every game. People have their days but what battier brings isn't just man to man coverage but team defense. Matt Harping, as much as I hate Jazz, I respect the man for working hard. He's a tough player and if you know anything about him and his work ethics, he can manage to score.

Look at Kobe. The man is pure clutch. How many times have I seen commentators say "You just can't do anything about it". There have been games when Battier is guarding someone and people would rain on him. Just can't do anything about it if they got the touch. Regardless of the trade, I still think it's a good move. What Rudy brings is just offense and yes it does help to bring in an option. BUT when your option doesn't select his shots carefully and gives up on plays, would you really pay him 12 mil a year compared to Battier or even Ariza's contract? Hell no.

 

I really don't know how to put it. Basically they are just a bunch of stat whores who state that his numbers are amazing. They always neglect the fact how Shane has changed the dynamic of this team on the defensive end. How did the Rockets maintain their defensive prowness even after JVG left? I bet Shane has a lot to do with it.

BUT, these posters JUST DON'T GET THAT POINT.

 

This comment is wrong on so many levels it's hard to know where to begin. Who exactly do you think controls the team's purse strings? Not Morey. Do you really think Morey would rather not get star players? Of course he would. The point is, he has a limited amount of money to work with. I for one am glad he identifies undervalued players that the team can afford. That's how you get the most out of your payroll, which is all anyone can ask of Morey. It's a great strategy for winning a championship on Les' budget: Invest in the right superstars and surround them with the best players you can get with the remaining money. Be strong and deep at every position. This approach is why the Rockets are winning now, even with both stars not playing.

 

Epic.

 

The good old clutchfans.net. Part of the reason why i love this site is to read these kind of post so i can get a good laugh out of it before i go to sleep :grin:

 

How did they lose on the scola gamble? They're still winning divisions and still have bigs stashed in europe and drafted blair in the 2nd rd. You say west wanted morrison and lucked out they didn't get him, but doesn't it seem like he always get lucky? Luckily got magic, worthy,scott,green, shaq,kobe and all the rest. think about the kobe deal and what it allowed the team to do. Kobe came in as a gunner, but ultra competitive guy with skills. let me rewind first, they traded a very good center that didn't show much improvement for a high school dude. Now, conventional wisdom would say, stick with the more established guy in vlade, but he didn't and it payed off bigtime.

 

Here's the thing, all detractors of the trade has to explain this fact.

Memphis 2005/2006 W-L 49-33
Memphis 2006/2007 W-L 22-60

Roster differences out of the top 8 minute getters on that 2005 team compared to 2006 team.

Lorenzen Wright
Shane Battier
Bobby Jackson

Bobby jackson was only there for 1 year, so he was no part of the previous 2 winning seasons.

So, what you have to explain is how a team that loses shane battier and lorenzen wright goes from 49 wins to 22 wins.

 

Ya....there was a lengthy post on Battier's intangibles =p. Kind of like how Dwight Howard was defensive player of the year

 

Watched at least 5 Memphis games this season (don't ask me why.. league pass makes you do crazy things...) i've never seen someone who's so lazy on defense as Rudy. His lack of knowledge as to how to stay IN FRONT of a wing player with or without the ball is beyond me. Because he has long arms, he's settled on reaching on every single pass that's thrown towards his man, and while he gets a steal or two, 90% of the time he left a wide open lane for the opponent to drive. What's even funnier is the look on Marc Gasol's face every time he ended up with a senseless foul because someone is up his face the second he turned around after Rudy's man got a free pass at the rim.

I've seen this happen time after time in ALL of the games I've watched this year. I'm not even talking about the game where Ariza and Budinger complete anihilated him on the Rocket's offensive end. I watched the game where Maurice Evans just toyed with him completely. That was awhile back, but it was earlier this year. I believe he scored close to 30 points and he scored 8 in a row because Gay was caught reaching every time.

It always amazes me how "fantasy" owners like to think that blocks + steals + rebounds = UBER DEFENSE....

For a shooting guard, you're expecting that the player you guard should get the ball a good 30-45 times a game, in most of their possessions. One steal, a help block in the paint because his arms are long, and a couple box outs constitutes for at most 10% of his potential players. He might as well be sitting on his hands with the way he allows players to go around him. It's not that Rudy isn't quick. His hands are quick and he can leap out of a building, but he over-pursues time and time again. That leads me to believe one of two things: he's dumb as a rock and can't learn (which tells me any potential is wasted), or he's too lazy to play honest D (which tells me the exact same thing.)

 

What did it cost to get david wesley? While you're at it, check the rox defensive rating when he was playing 2 guard at 6 ft. Also check the oofensive rating while he was playing 2 guard.

 

It doesn't matter how much he has mature or anything. If this team is rebuilding then i definitely wouldn't have trade the pick for shane. The fact is that we are building a team AROUND YAO and T-mac. Bringing in Shane would help T-mac to maintain his energy level from his 1v1 defense and boosting the overall team defense by being the general in the defensive end. I am a rockets fan, therefore i am rooting for Shane because he's much more valueable to the rockets compare to rudy. Where as many teams like the knicks, grizz who are in the process of rebuilding probably value Rudy over Shane.

 

I guess the coach being fired had 0 to do with it nor the fact gasol missed alot of early games either. While you're pulling up stats, pull up memphis record when shan was coming off the bench and posey was starting.