maybe... the sample size is small-ish. but i'd feel better with cutler, who's never missed a start in 2+ years, than schaub, who's missed 10 in a slightly smaller time frame.
This is dead on. I completely agree. If I'm a Broncos season ticket holder I'm pissed that this new coach walks in and starting trying to trade my starting QB who is fresh off a Pro Bowl appearance at age 25. The idea of trading a player like that is so stupid that I can't find an analogy.
I completely agree with this and that's why Matt deserves at least another year. If we have to trade a 1st or 2nd round pick, we are only hurting our ability to improve where improvement is needed the most, the defense.
Not at the risk of a greater expense in bringing a potential problem into a locker room. Cutler for Schaub in any context makes no sense. Period. Schaub is not exactly over the hill, so I'm not sure why we'd want to go younger. If we do want to get younger, let's get it through the draft. Novel concept eh? Develop our own? As for cheaper, I can see this as a benefit but again, not if it becomes an "expense" in having a problem child in the locker room.
The point wasn't a knock. It's a statement in fact that these guys are essentially lateral talent moves, so it doesn't make a difference whether we have Schaub or Cutler starting. We're basically the same team with the same expectations with either at the helm. Are the Texans not already one of the youngest teams in the league? Are you wanting to draft high school players? How young do you think we need to go? Are the Texans rebuilding? That's typically when teams make moves for the purposes of "going young". We aren't doing that. We didn't build anything yet to initiate a "rebuild". I don't know how much you know about diabetes but I think you may want to reconsider calling Cutler a more "durable move". And - as far as the TO point, all it meant was it seems some of you are simply trying to find lateral talent players that come with baggage and head issues. I offered up another that I thought would appeal to some of you It was a joke, not an analogy.
Fixed. I tell you...you damned kids and the internets. I now return you back to your world of twitter books. Pfft. Kids.
i don't know how else to explain it: cutler is younger, more durable and cheaper. those represent significant upgrades. from a measurables standpoint, he has a better arm and is faster. given that, a case could be made that with a better team around him (which houston has), cutler would represent an upgrade on the field, too - making the deal a no-brainer. assuming a 1-for-1 swap, why would the texans NOT do this? maybe cutler is a problem in the locker room - fortunately, gary kubiak probably has mike shanahan's phone # lying around somewhere and could get some insight on the subject. it wouldn't be a crapshoot. what an absolutely silly statement... when talent-level and experience is, at the very least, equal - when and more importantly why would you EVER choose the older player? just a silly position to take all around. i know he's made 37 consecutive starts and has never had an issue with it. assuming perfect helath rom here on out, it'll be 2011 before schaub makes his 37th consecutive start. and he's 2-3 years older. sorry; based on how silly the rest of your post was, i assumed it was just more of the same. besides, joke or not - why wouldn't you deal johnson for TO? age certainly isn't a factor at all, right?....
Hell to tha motha f'n yeah... will it happen, i doubt it but this is a proven qb that is familiar with the offense Kubiak runs...why the hell not...
because you don't know what you're getting in a draft. it's a crap shoot. we've seen what cutler is capable of. look, i'm a schaub fan. but if you told me schaub for cutler straight up i'd take it everyday.
I don't subscribe to the "once burned by David Carr, always burned by drafting a QB" way of thinking. I wouldn't take Cutler for Schaub. That's our essential difference. I think Schaub looks brilliant at times and I feel better about his durability (Cutler - diabetic). I just wouldn't trade for Cutler. Why not go for someone else who's not a headcase or a blood sugar risk? Texans and their fans should set their standards higher.
I don't either. But I do feel safer with a proven commodity -- a guy who has played the game at a level high enough to be a Pro Bowler -- vs. a guy who has never touched a pro field or tried to read a pro defense. Nothing wrong with that. We just disagree. Diabetic or not, Cutler has played very well in a very short period of time. To me, has more upside than Schaub. And that's not to say I don't like Schaub.
Look, it's as simple as this... Trading for the sake of different personnel does not improve the team. Cutler is NOT an upgrade over Schaub in my opinion. This topic is nothing more than material for fanboys to analyze. It makes no real sense to anyone concerned about the results on the field. For the sake of discussion, let's say we traded for Cutler. Okay, the Texans have Cutler. Are you any more excited about our Super Bowl hopes? I'm not. We're statistically going to be roughly the same. On top of that, I have a hunch that Schaub is a better potential team leader than Cutler. This year may be different from any past season. That is, our problems and upgrades need to be on the defensive side of the ball. I think our offense is good enough as it is. We know we have a running back now, we know basically what we have catching the ball, and we have a functional utility type QB who is slightly better than average. That's not too bad. Let's work on defense. You know, something that improves the team. If you consider any of this silly, I really don't have a problem with that. I wouldn't expect you to see it the same was as I do. You're too l33t. You clearly need to pwn something.
They need to fire the coach. You don't trade away franchise QB's. To those who wouldn't trade Matt Shaub for Cutler are crazy. Cutler has a lot better ARM than shaub.
he's younger. he's more durable. he's cheaper. he's more experienced (37 starts to 24 - and two of those were in '04 & '05). all four are irrefutable upgrades, and fairly significant ones at that. there's not a personnel person alive who would argue otherwise. hell, there's not a SANE person alive who would argue otherwise. if you want to argue cutler's not an upgrade on the field, ok. their statistics suggest they'd be roughly equivalent though i'd argue schaub has a much better team around him, suggesting cutler would outplay him with the same cast (since i think denver's offense is significantly worse). but i can't believe i have to argue that a younger, more durable, cheaper QB with, at worst equivalent talent, is an upgrade. no offense but who gives a **** what you (or i) think? if rick smith and gary kubiak are making decisions based on whether or not Republic gets more excited about our Super Bowl hopes, they should put us all out of misery now and ship the team off to tennessee. it's no way to run a football team. awesome! i look forward to winning the fantasyland trophy where meaningless things like leadership matter. congratulations - you're now starting an argument with absolutely no one. yeah, we all know where the upgrades are needed. trading schaub for cutler straight up has no bearing on our ability to do that. except it gets us a cheaper QB (there's a salary cap now in the nfl) who's more durable which means maybe we don't have to sink $9M into a back-up. and since he's younger, in theory, we can put off by a year or 2 having to look for his replacement. but i'm guessing having additional money to spend on defense is meaningless....... yeah, why upgrade our "functional utility type QB who is slightly better than average"? championship teams are built around functional utility type QBs who are slightly better than average. zing! got me again! (yawn)
still?... really?... what can we do to convince you you're (slightly) better off sticking to the topic than wading in flaccid insults like this?
Congrats, you now have zero credibility as a football analyst. It's almost as if you discovered the NFL when we got the Texans. Watch a few more years then re-visit this statement.
