His agent hinted there might be irreconcilable differences so keep telling yourself this situation is blown out of proportion and that it's no big deal.
McDaniels must be a total idiot.You have a very good young qb who threw for over 4,000 yds and 20+tds and you talk about trading him because he may not pick up your system? Wow. Yea you can find a Jay Cutler anywhere
sorry; let me try this again: then please support those claims: i'd like to see some evidence he's cried and/or thrown hissy fits. i've never claimed otherwise. you, otoh.....
please. it's agent spin; their job is to protect their clients. look, i'm not saying it can't become a big deal; i'm saying it's not a big deal right now. if this lingers and he continues to grouse about it... then yeah, they have a situation on their hands - a situation, i might add, that is their own doing. i mean, denver is absolutely justified in doing whatever it can to improve its team, but there can be consequences - i think trying (and ultimately failing) to deal your franchise QB - and that information becoming public - is far more alienating than the franchise QB being pissed about it. good lord.
BTW, Cutler asked to be traded weeks ago...and now he is the one that is acting like a victim when his name gets thrown around. Per Peter King in MMQB: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/03/01/freeagency/index.html If true, I dont understand the purpose of ignoring the team.
if peter king is reporting it, there's a better than 1,000,000% chance it's wrong. he's a moron. BUT... let's say it's true... is it possible the team told him in response to the request, "no way" and in doing so made a quasi-commitment to him in the process? something like, "we're plan to build this team around you." that's seems pretty plausible, no? i mean, they obviously didn't tell him, "ok" because he would have probably been traded and/or he wouldn't be terribly pissed right now. so isn't it conceivable he's pissed they reneged on their commitment? again, we don't have anything here but rumors and conjecture - but that seems possible. i certainly don't think we should draw any definitive conclusions about a situation we're observing from a great distance.
This is ridiculous. Apparently, now i'm dealing with your reading comprehension issues too in addition to your naive and faulty reasoning. Go back and re-read any recent report on this issue: it's all about him whining to the media and his agent stirring up the pot. That much is undeniable -- I don't feel like going back to cite specific examples when it's right there in front of you. Everything from his cocky demeanor, to players/coaches complaining about his attitude, to the arrogant John Elway comments, to his request to be traded weeks ago, to his fifth-grade-level response to this matter.... Everything points to this dude being a headcase. And as Wojciechowski pointed out, he simply doesn't have the resume to back that type of nonsense up. You actually have to accomplish something in this league before you can get away with the soap opera stuff. Take it from Broncos fans too: http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=129286 ....and again, as long as his agent is hinting there could be irreconcilable differences this absolutely is a big deal. Sure, there's a good chance Cutler will stop acting like a little girl and start acknowledging his superiors -- who, contrary to what you claim, he does have an obligation to report to -- and maybe he'll put this issue behind him like just about every single other professional athlete in the history of sports has managed to do in the same situation. I won't lie though, part of me is enjoying watching him make a royal ass out of himself. His false sense of entitlement and 'untouchable' label he and his agent are trying to sell are actually quite hilarious considering his mediocre career. P.S. It looks like you found something new to be wrong about: http://broncomadness.com/2009/03/02/did-jay-cutler-ask-for-a-trade-weeks-before/
You guys are arguing as if it's obvious one is better than the other. I don't know, I think they both pretty close. I'd take Cutler for his arm and durability, but I am still happy with Schaub if we keep him.
Couple of reasons. First, the Pats were going to be on the hook to pay their back up qb $14 million because of the franchise tag. They were willing to take back less to give that up and Vrabel's contract. Second, Scott Piloli (former NE exec) is now the gm of KC. The rumor is that Cutler was being traded to Tampa after Denver gave KC their 1st round pick (#12) for Cassel. Instead he ends up in KC for a 2nd rounder? Yeah, I think there might be something to that... Also, I think Atlanta knew at the time that it was time to start over. They probably had some grasp of what kind of trouble Vick was in and saw the writing on the wall...time to rebuild. They could give up their qb and get additional picks to aid in the rebuilding. I'm still saying that this trade is working out well for both teams.
i have reading comprehension issues? me?.... really? ...because i'm thinking you might very well be the one struggling with their reading comprehension. while i admittedly didn't read the entire thing - i skipped around and read quite a few and it's pretty universally pro-cutler. at the very least, it's split down the middle. and what's your point, anyway? should we take every thing a bronco fan says as the gospel? specifically anything they say that’s negative toward jay cutler? let me ask you a question - two, actually: 1) what is the appropriate response to learning that the team you play for wants to replace you with an (arguably) inferior player?; to accept it as business and go about your day whistling dixie out of your *******? 2) why are you confusing being angry with whining? i'm not saying he is angry nor am i arguing he's not whining; i just don't see how one could draw a conclusion either way based on a few pretty innocuous quotes. he doesn't really say anything damning except that he's irked. big deal. of course you don't. i'd ask you to support your claims of a cocky demeanor or provide links to players/coaches commenting about his attitude (as opposed to linking to some random fan forum), but i can see you're playing by a different set of rules. namely, you get to treat your own conjecture as fact, draw whatever conclusions fit your point, assume everything you've heard that supports your point is gospel and, of course, you're under absolutely no obligation to cite anything. that about cover it? you know, i don't follow the denver broncos but... cutler hasn't exactly sucked. he's not vince young or matt leinart, ferchrissakes. he's played fairly well. i mean, reportedly, several teams were willing to deal first round picks for him… well, gee - doesn't sound at all like you have an axe to grind; you seem like the very definition of impartial. here's a more reliable source than anonymous posters on broncoland.com message forum, or whatever - it's the denver post; a few choice excerpts (emphasis mine): boy - sure sounds like he's dug in for a long, nasty fight, doesn't it? what a hissy fit! this DEFINITELY sounds like it will UNDOUBTEDLY be a problem. if he doesn't show up for this, we can officially label the situation a problem. until then, he's under no mandated obligation to make contact with the team. oh, thank god - another credible source... this time: broncomadness.com, huh? i believe they won a pulitzer last year, didn't they, for their undercover work exposing asbestos in the local elementary school cafeteria? let's take a look... yep - pretty declarative - except, you know, for the question mark at the end of the headline... meaning they don't actually know if it's true or not. here's the rest of the "article" - for fun, i bolded every instance in which the author admits he has no idea if the rumor is true or is merely speculating: and you linked to this...why, exactly? what was your point? do you even know? and once again i'll remind you (and everyone else) that you called out MY reading comprehension.
That's precisely the issue, at least from my point. I think in 2008 Schaub was clearly better, but in 2007 Cutler was slightly better, and looking forward he does have a better arm, so it's a tossup from a strictly analytical perspective. But the quarterback is more than simply numbers. He's your identity, or should be. He's your leader. He's the glue. imo, you'd have to have a fairly clear upgrade to justify all the starting over that goes with a major QB change. Otherwise, it's just not worth it, much less tossing in a draft pick as well. On a related note, intangibles are a part of the process as well. Schaub, by all accounts, is a well-respected leader who immediately asks for the cell-phone number of any player who joins the Texans to reach out to them and bring them into the process. Cutler, well, just read Gene's article at ESPN and you'll see a bit of a contrast. Bottom line: if the two are close, you stick with the status quo for reasons that should be fairly obvious. You need a pretty clear reason to make the change, and I'm not seeing anything close to that.
he's also younger, more durable and cheaper. those are three pretty significant upgrades - throw in a better arm and i think it's pretty much a no-brainer you make the deal. i think (just my opinion) cutler would improve upon schaub's #s with houston's offense - i certainly don't think he'd be a downgrade. plus, i'm going to assume denver and houston run a pretty similiar offense, so any adjustment period would probably be minor. he went to vanderbilt, for heaven's sake - i have to assume he's a pretty smart guy. so, imo, the age, durability and cost are why he's a pretty sizeable upgrade. there's not a GM in any sport that wouldn't deal for a younger, more durable, cheaper version of a player. none. come on, man - who cares? i mean, it's a nice gesture but on sundays, tripe like that means absolutely nothing. can he play or not - that's what matters. i'd wager the miami comeback earned schaub more respect in that locker room than all of his cell phone calls combined. now, if cutler is indeed the baby wosijfdjfkljdkdkj paints him out to be - that's certainly problematic. but i thought that article read like a major hatchet job; gene sounded like a guy with an axe to grind, dumping quite a bit on jay's shoulders. i've (sadly) read quite a few pieces in the denver post because of this thread and it really doesn't sound THAT bad - he's pissed; that's about it for now. and, frankly - i dont blame him for being pissed. doesn't mean he'll remain pissed, or that he'll sabotage his team, undermine his coach..... it just means he's pissed right now. what's the big deal? it's march 3 not september 3.
Ric - ignore this clown. You've proven your point. Some people around Houston have an issue with anyone out of that 05 draft class other than Mario Williams or maybe there are still closet VY groupies out there who have declared an all out war on (Cutler, Leinart, Bush, etc....).
clearly, that's the issue. people hate the 05 draft class. show me where people are hating on Cutler, declaring an "all out war" on him. talk about over-dramatic..
not to instigate - or confirm Vinsanity's opinion (which i don't necessarily disagree with personally) - but in addition to countless attacks on cutler (he's crying, he's throwing a hissy fit, he's acting like a girl), he also posted this: whatever the reason, that's pretty spiteful...
yeah I guess. But saying the dude is dumb for the way he's handling a specific situation (at least if you believe one side of the story) is way different from the "all out war"-type stuff that is admittedly going on against Bush/Leinart--and that's not just here. baller4life may have been hating on cutler, but he's just commetning on cutler's actions over the last 2 weeks--that much is clear. (he called his career mediocre...but you can't say it's a ton more than that so far. Nor is Schaub's. As a career.. but they're young in their careers)
Ric, I dont blame him for being mad or upset...like you said, he's a human being and he's showing those emotions. BUT, ignoring calls and not returning them is IMMATURE...no matter how you want to cut it. Be mad, fine...but act like a grown up. There is no line of work where that would be acceptable and football is no different.
