(pssst Vinsanity.... over here.... here's what you need to focus on: slaton, johnson, walter and daniels - plus a slightly better defense with a much higher upside - are infinitely better weapons than anything cutler has. no one in this thread opposing you would trade any of those players - or our defense - for their denver counterpart. none. (sidebar: MAYBE walter for royal - maybe.) so don't get caught up in #s, especially if you're going to post errorneous ones - concentrate on the possibility of cutler *probably* posting better #s than schaub if he was given better weapons. and then hit over and over again that he's younger, more durable and cheaper - those are better positions to take.)
Cutler is slightly overrated, Schaub is slightly underrated. Considering both these facts and applying a dose of reality, they are both still vastly mediocre QB's. Cutler isn't an upgrade or a downgrade. This thread is analyzing something that doesn't warrant it. Neither the Texans or the Broncos knocked any doors down last year. None of this makes any difference.
So what does a moniker, exactly have to do with knowledge of a particular subject? I guess THE CAT (named after an nba player) would be better at discussing NFL QBs than VINSANITY (named after an nba player)? Fail.
I want to know why we traded 2 second rounders and swapped top 10 picks with Atlanta for Schaub when he was entrenched as a backup to probably the most unmovable quarterback in the NFL at the time but yet all New England for Cassel was 1 second rounder and they got to dump another contract in vrabel as well. It makes it seem like we gave up too much for Schaub.
Having a brain and accepting the fact that football is indeed a business too? It's not like Cutler has played well enough to warrant this untouchable status he and his agent think he's achieved. Wojciechowski is absolutely right and the biggest point of all is he's accomplished nothing in this league outside of some inflated passing yardage numbers. Get over yourself. Far better players than him (McNabb, for instance) have been involved in plenty of trade talks yet you don't hear them acting like irrational, cry babies. Why? Because somebody like McNabb is a professional and knows how to place his ego aside when appropriate. Cutler is pretty indefensible in this matter.
why is being pissed that you were almost dealt for an older, more expensive, less proven QB tantamount to being an irrational crybaby? that's a total disconnect for me. i read his comments; they sound like a guy stung by trade talks not an irrational cry baby. the article read like the writer had a bit of a beef with cutler, frankly.
His initial complaints didn't sound so bad, but if the team is wanting to meet with him and talk it out and he is flat out refusing to meet or even TALK to them on the phone...how can you not see that as anything other than juvenile?
Because if you're Cutler, this is the profession you chose. The possibility of getting traded or in this case just hearing your name mentioned in trade talks comes with the territory. This isn't complicated. You can't cry, throw hissy fits and attempt to alienate your coach/management staff simply because your ego was insulted by a common occurrence in your industry. I think he's totally indefensible in this matter and plenty are calling him out for it. I guess you feel otherwise?
You should create another ID using Jay Cutler's name. That way, you'll have two IDs based on players who don't end up in Houston. You can even create a third one like "PudgeRod" if you want to go for the trifecta.
they're years apart. there's not a ton of demand for another QB right now.. KC could lean on Thigpen, Det and SF are the only ones with a real need...and 1 or both of them could address that in the draft
He's refusing to talk to any of the FO people on the phone and he is ignoring their phone calls. Thats more than just being stung by trade talks.
he didn't. he didn't do that, either. nor has he done this - 0 for 3! he's under absolutely no obligation to the team right now in terms of contact: it's the offseason - he's not skipping OTAs or training camp. so how is taking some time to sort things out a form of alienation? i could argue he's demonstrating a fair amount of maturity by blowing off his steam before talking to the team. regardless, you're guilty of the same hyperbole that permeated the article. if, in september, he's still grousing about it, let's reconvene. but for now, i don't think he's done anything beyond showing an obvious desire to play for the denver broncos.
Ric, this is a new regime that has taken over the Broncos. Its kinda important that he be on the same page as them from the get go...he doesnt have until September to get over his hurt feelings. He needs to start the relationship now. Ignoring phone calls is completely uncalled for...what reason does he have, because his name was in trade talks? Please. Its great that he wants to play for the Broncos, but to avoid talking to coaches or FO personnel because he is upset is completely childish. This is a business, this is entertainment...nothing personal. But by the antics he has pulled, he is making it personal. No room for that in football.
You're obviously getting some different information than the rest of us because every claim i've mentioned is clearly supported. Your rebuttals, on the other hand, are merely opinion upon your part. Unsupported and nothing more than mere speculation. Not returning phone calls, refusing to meet with your employers, instructing your agent to stir up the press, etc. That's what you call alienating your superiors. That's exactly what he's doing right now. He has a history of attitude issues -- this is just the latest chapter in that book. ....and the only hyperbole here is on your part. The fact that you even semi-seriously implied he's handling this situation well or displaying any form of maturity just blows my mind.
if it's so important.... why did they spend the weekend trying to trade him? i mean... how is that less alienating than being pissed about it? and it's march not august. free agency's been open for less than 72 hours, the draft is still nearly two months away - they don't even know what their roster is going to look like right now. and it's not like he's been avoiding them for a prolonged period - what's it been? like, a couple of hours? maybe a day? big deal. we tend to view sports in its own context; but consider something like this happening to you: your new boss reveals he tried to hire his old employee to replace you - fell through, though. oh well, it's business, right? no hard feelings. you'll be there bright and early tomorrow morning, ready to work harder than ever, huh?... come on. he's pissed off - that's it. he's made no other declarations, no threats - he hasn't cried or thrown a hissy fit, either. he's reacted like... well, a human. and he doesn't (to my knowledge) have a history of whining, so why is this so egregious? this is being blow so out of proportion, IMO.
Dude, this is freaking football...95% of the players in the league are mentioned in trade talks...are you seriously supporting the fact that he has decided to ignore his superiors?
